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Australians Held Hostage today by an Islamic group

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
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When I first saw the event taking place on the news I started to cry, I knew how those people felt. I was shot along a highway just out of town, it was 2.30 am in the morning, I had friends in the car thank god. The car span of the road, my whole life flashed through my head, I laid there with my ankle nearly blown off, I was in shock, all I thought about was that whoever shot me was going to come and finish me of, I think about this event everyday of my life.

We all live in this beautiful country of Australia, and we never heard of the things that are starting to happen here. We let migrates into our country, hoping they will have a good life, but there are some who hate our country, they don't like women wearing the cloths they wear, and on and on it goes. I say why the hell did you want to come into our country if you didn't like our way of life. This is how most Australians are thinking, we feel that our country is starting to be taken away from us, and these people wonder why we seem so racist, when its not that at all, its just that we are confused and worry about what our country is going to end up as. Now the ball is in their court, that being Muslims or whoever doesn't like our way of life, you need to prove to us all that we are safe with you here.

I think that both Muslims and non-Muslims need to come together and support each other to stop this idea that we are enemies. As long as we fear each other there can't be peace. I find hope in this situation because of the support being shown from both sides. I really hope in the future we can live together without threat or fear.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The problem that I think is the case here, is Australia is a very open society, and to an extent ignore or have a blind eye regarding inviting those into their country who obviously are sympathetic to violent politically motivated or violent religiously motivated acts - or even worse those, which this character is an example of, that mix religion and politics along with allegence to violence. If this guy was an adherent to some obscure nut cult such as "Communist Witches for Christian Destruction (CWCD)" that would be one thing, but he is the template for a broad world-wide genocidal Islamic extremist creed with huge following and very real danger to ordinary people going to work or school.

I am beginning to reconsider my own use of such temrs as "lone wolf"... This guy was never alone in his personal life, his international interactions as well as on the internet with his fellow travellers in Islamic extremism, and was enabled by Muslims who remain silent regarding this creed and his ilk. A wolf is actually a noble animal, I recently even had a vivid dream of looking in the mirror and looking back at me was myself with the head of a timber wolf, the more I think about it this dream was a good sign. Wolves are too good of an animal to describe these demons. I don't care if they are "by themself" when they do these things in such cases, they were never alone.

This guy should never have been bailed out back to the streets and should have been deported back to Iran if not a citizen, or if a citizen obviously more scrutiny in granting any citizenship should have been exercised since this guy was a template of Islamic extremism.

I have relatives in Australia. This exposes a larger issue, a need for more scrutiny based on the reality of our dangerous times of what is obviously an Islamic extremist template. Some may call it profiling, it is not, it is simply looking at the facts about an individual that match the Islamic extremist template and the very real danger of those who are fixated with propagating the Islamic extremist narrative.

When the government fails to do so, especially in these dangerous times, the people become afraid or even reactionary, I can sense that in those I know in Australia. Those who have such sensitivity are typically those with children. Who is to blame for this, those who react or those in government who allowed these Islamic terrorists into the country?

Today I turn on the TV to see John Kerry condemning something - then I realize that what this is about is Islamic extremists in Pakistan entered and took hostage an entire school full of children and then mass murdered over 120 children in this school in the name of Islam because they do not like the idea of schools. They burned their teacher alive in front of the children and then started beheading the children in front of each. This is the creed of Islamic extremism, their numbers are NOT small as some kook neo-Nazi group in the Dakotas, no the Islamic extremist numbers are huge and pose a direct threat of murder and genocide to those who are not their creed.

There are two kinds of mistaken identity in these times, one is the example of those seen as part of this creed out if ignorance but are not, but the other purposeful agenda is to misrepresent those who want to protect their children as some sort of hate sect the moral equivalent of the Taliban. The later agenda propagates a mistaken identity on those who simply want to send their children to school or go to a coffee shop without themselves or their children being murdered by extremists.

By the way, in America we now heard extremists just the other day in the streets of New York chanting Kill the Police and their families, they are also terrorists no different than this Islamic terrorist and they need to be identified in the videos and photos and rounded up in the same manner for intensive scrutiny regarding their violent creed because they will also murder others in terrorist attacks it is only a matter of time.

Also, why do I see time and again the communist types marching side by side with Islamic extremists holding signs such as "God bless Hitler" and other anti-Semitic signs, I have seen these types in Berkeley California.

Yes, mistaken identity happens, such as in the case of Sikhs after 911, but thank God this was limited in numbers and today most Americans recognize Sikhs as allies against Islamic extremism and are welcomed and valued allies at that. Since then Sikhs have become involved in bringing their message and religion and sympathies to the public, we need to see Muslims become much more vocal and not just vocal but ACTIVE in their opposition to Islamic extremism. Issuing a statement isn't going to cut it, it is not enough and way, way too many are simply silent enablers.

When the government fails to screen out terrorists who match the obvious terrorist template from access to us and our children, it should not be a surprise to see reactionary effect simply because enough is a enough. It is no surprise, a lazy government or politically correct government is to blame more than the reactionaries.

But where are these reactionaries in Australia? I am sort of getting sick of this phony campaign by the hard left and media allies who right away, their own reaction and narrative is not concern for the victims of Islamic extremists but a knee jerk narrative and full of over exaggeration about "oh my God! We need to protect the Muslims!" ... Really? So Aussies are now freebooting across the Down Under attacking mosques and raping Muslim women in the street? I don't think so, don't see it happening. This "protect the Muslims from evil Aussies!" is garbage, another lie and narrative.

Yes, you are going to have movements such as the Australian Defence League. Who are also mislabeled.

Take the incident reported in some of the local news here in the US about the "smell the coffee" incident, reported as a "Right-wing Christian neo-Nazi" screaming racist things in front of the coffee shop while this incident was taking place and who used the words "smell the coffee" in a rant about there are not actually moderate Muslims and more of this is going to happen unless "mates" smell the coffee.

So I checked into this, and found this is a misrepresentation. The guy was from the Australian Defence League (ADL) which turned out was not a "Christian" centric agenda but against all religious extremism including Christian, but in particular a focus on the Islamicist threat of violence against Australia. Yes, they are Right Wingers - what would you expect? Nor are they "neo-Nazi", in fact they call the Islamic extremists as today's Nazis and are against National Socialism. These people are patriots, yes they are foul mouthed and tuffs. Again, what the hell do you expect, I blame the government for this by not doing enough and being too politically correct for the job and so yes vigilantees will arise. This is normal.

In Australia, back in April of this year a terrorist attack was made on one of the leaders of the Australian Defence League, Nathan Abela, when a man with an accent showed up at his home calling his name and banging on his door and then fired seven shots into the door and house when he asked who it is.

So here is the actual VIDEO uf the so-called "smell the coffee" incident to show what actually happend and not what the media says happened. I am not saying everything he said wotld be what I would say in that situation, but it was way over exaggerated ... Here is the actual event and you judge, it was a minor incident and no Aussies are not freebooting the Muslims, here is the Leader of the Australian Defence League Ralph Cerminara who was "the person of interest" in this incident ranting against the Islamic terrorist seige at the Lindt Chocolat cafe in Martin Place, Sydney and saying "there are no moderate Muslims". Now that may shock some of you hearing someone saying this, but others are beginning to ask the same as these attacks continue so again I strongly suggest if there are "moderate" (as in those "moderate" Syrian muslims that Obama touted many months ago before they allied with ISIS?), these moderates better be much more actionable in helping to defeat Islamic extremism then an occasional "statement" released once in a blue moon and only coming from a small "representation" of such moderates. I would suggest they smell the coffee.

Here is the video, warning there will be foul mouthed words, and reactionary terms such as "Islamic freaks" but this is going to happen unless the government doesn"t do more to prevent the creed of Islamic extremism from entering and having access to schools, coffee shops, work environments, theatres, commuter trains, and within our military itself. Moderate Muslims are not doing much of anything and they should be in the forefront in fighting Islamic extremism because silence is not golden.


By the way, yesterday even I considered giving a $100 dollar donation to the ADL, but couldn't figure out how since they only seem to have a Facebook presence, but I do not have a Facebook account. Then I changed my mind. But who knows, let us see if there will be another Islamic terrorist attack.
 
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dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
The National Sikh Council of Australia has issued a Press Release related to this threat:

National Sikh Council of Australia Inc
170- Ninth Avenue Austral N.S.W 2179
(Inc No: INC9877869)
Voice of the Sikhs in Australia
President: Ajmer Singh Gill JP
Secretary: Bawa Singh Jagdev OAM JP

Press Release

The National Sikh Council of Australia (NSCA) condemns the siege at Martin Place Sydney in the strongest terms. We feel for the innocent hostages whose basic human rights were violated and are saddened by the unnecessary loss of life. We offer our sincere condolences to the families and friends of those who have so tragically lost their lives and wish the injured a speedy recovery. We commend the NSW government and police for their swift and professional response and the Australian government for their total support. We appreciate the Australian community for maintaining a positive attitude during this difficult time.

While great strides have been made by NSCA to explain the Sikh identity, many Sikhs still look over their shoulder when in public places. As a result of the tragic events of September 11, 2001, Sikhs all over the world had become targets of mistaken identity with the Taliban and many Sikhs were attacked and killed. Once again the siege in Sydney has sparked fear across the Sikh community and created a situation where turban wearing Sikhs may well become targets of hatred due to mistaken identity.

The turban is the external identity of a Sikh. This confuses some ignorant people, who compare Australian Sikhs with the images in media that specifically relate to terrorists that may wear turbans. These ignorant people then perpetrate hate crimes, harassment, bullying and reprisal attacks; including attacks on places of worship. We should learn from similar incidents in the US and UK as the same degree of public awareness is required to build stronger community relationships through all forms of media for such crimes go against our spirit of multiculturalism and have the potential to divide the Australian community.

NSCA urges the Sikh Community to be vigilant of the possibility of such attacks. Please seek help from the Police and inform the NSCA throughwww.facebook.com/sikhcouncil or [email protected].

Ajmer Singh Gill
[email protected]
For and on behalf of the National Sikh Council of Australia

We are, we do speak, we do explain but there's no $$$ in that for the media so no one hears about it.
Same with ISIL. over 125 Scholars from around the world who hold high authority in their countries signed a letter denouncing ISIL, hardly any western/non-Islamic news outlet mentioned it.

In response to both of these...

I was watching a bit of news coverage when this situation was happening and I got so mad at the tv. The presenter was going on about how leaders need to come out and speak against it. I yelled THEY ALREADY ARE! THEY ALREADY DO BUT NO ONE LISTENS YOU TWAT!
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes, you are going to have movements such as the Australian Defence League. Who are also mislabeled.

May I offer some perspective as a Native True Blue Fair Dinkum Aussie?

I hate the ADL. Ehh, I guess hate is a strong word. Dislike. Yeah I dislike them.
Yes they are a reactionary group, yes I do support them in their fight against radical......well religions in general.

But I find that they're just too idk far right for me. They have all these sentiments I agree with, but from my encounters with them, despite deep protests, they are racist and xenophobic. Well at least the ones I have seen. I have encountered some awful awful sentiments from the ADL at my workplace no less. Claiming I wasn't a real Aussie for having an immigrant mother (from Fiji who is fully assimilated no less.) One bloke racially insulted my supervisor, claiming she shouldn't be in Australia because her English wasn't the best and that she was and I quote "a filthy turban wearing Muslim" Which was odd since she's a Fiji born Indian who is a Hindu and never wears a Turban. =/ But I dunno, maybe he mistook her accent for Arabic or something stupid like that?
Another time my Manager had to throw out a couple of blokes who were harassing an innocent Sikh couple just trying to do their shopping. How do I know these acts were committed by people who happen to ascribe to the ADL? Because they themselves advertised it. Loudly.
Ughhh retail. I swear. =(

I'm sure the entire ADL is nothing like that. Far be it from me to label an entire group after the actions of a few.
But I'm sorry the group just seems to cause even more trouble, even if I can understand why they have the sentiments they do (well not all of them, but still.)

Sorry just had to rant.

In Australia, back in April of this year a terrorist attack was made on one of the leaders of the Australian Defence League, Nathan Abela, when a man with an accent showed up at his home calling his name and banging on his door and then fired seven shots into the door and house when he asked who it is.

Let me make it clear, I am very relieved that Mr Nathan Abela and his family were not hurt in the incident and think the terrorist scum should rot in prison for what he did.
But like I said, I can understand some of their expressed sentiments, even occasionally agree with them. But they just seem to attract trouble. And what's more they seem to enjoy it, since it gives them a stage for them to play the victim (not saying they aren't, but they seem to really like to take advantage of the media attention.)
And Nathan is a sneaky underhanded dog who employs some cowardly dishonest tactics. I don't care where his political/ideological allegiances lie. He just comes across as an ******* to me.
 
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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
An extremist, obviously. Apparently ISIS is calling for people around the world to do what they have been thinking of doing or planning now. At least, that is what I read on one of the news sites. This man is not confirmed to be associated with ISIS but it's one possibility.
We should note that there are some who are violent with cold & considered intent, eg, Taliban, but there will be some Muslims who are violent due to mental illness. The latter will typically act alone, & would likely pose a danger if they were Xian, Hindu or even one of us noble atheists. The real enemy would be those who take the perverse violent interpretation of Islam. And they do not represent the whole.

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Wirey

Fartist
Oh, you finally noticed?

I feel like I just walked in with a new haircut and nobody seeing the change in appearance. I shall eat chocolate now to soothe myself.

Yes ma'am. Is there anything I can do? Get you a drink of water, or smite your enemies?
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Yes ma'am. Is there anything I can do? Get you a drink of water, or smite your enemies?

A drink of water is a nice gesture and will be responded with a statement of gratitude. Smiting my enemies is more than I'd ever expect and will get you a romp in the sack for days on end. Just to give you some parameters.

If I need anything specific from you, I'll let you know.
 
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