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Avatar Discussion (Spoilers Ahead)

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I thought it was a great movie, all told.

I didn't like Trudy's death, though. I so wanted her to ram the lead ship before she got shot down.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Yeah but she got a few great shots in at least.Dont want to give anything away but she was quite the hero for the tree hugging traitors!

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Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
P.S...I again will say I loved the level of importance females played in this movie all around.

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Dallas
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I did love this movie a lot, but am I the only one who doesn't care about its "pretty" visuals? In my personal opinion, this wasn't any more "pretty" than Lord of the Rings, and that was mostly miniatures and location shots.

I did see it in 3D, by the way. You have no idea how much I wanted to take those darned glasses off, because I kept starting to get headaches. But I couldn't for the whole movie, because of the double-sight-thing-whatever that makes the technology work.

It is nice to see 3D not only coming back to cinema, but finally being put to good use; but I'm just not interested in the technology. Then again, I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to films.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
P.S...I again will say I loved the level of importance females played in this movie all around.

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Dallas

Sister... it's James Cameron. Strong female roles are his specialty.

After all, he had Sigourney Weaver (who also played a great role in this movie... I swear, she hasn't aged a day!!!) call the big mumba jumba Alien Queen a *female dog* (;)) in Aliens.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
is'nt it great we love the films where we kill, makes you think how the porno industry can exist?

Uh... "humans" are the bad guys in Avatar.

I don't know about you, but I did not want to see those "humans" kill anything.

(I use quotations because it's never actually established if these people are earth-born humans.)
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I did love this movie a lot, but am I the only one who doesn't care about its "pretty" visuals?
Yes. :p

In my personal opinion, this wasn't any more "pretty" than Lord of the Rings, and that was mostly miniatures and location shots.
Well, no. And Memoirs Of A Geisha was even prettier. Doesn't make Avatar any less so.

I did see it in 3D, by the way. You have no idea how much I wanted to take those darned glasses off, because I kept starting to get headaches. But I couldn't for the whole movie, because of the double-sight-thing-whatever that makes the technology work.

It is nice to see 3D not only coming back to cinema, but finally being put to good use; but I'm just not interested in the technology. Then again, I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to films.
Yeah, we opted against 3d, and I don't regret it.
 

Panda

42?
Premium Member
I did love this movie a lot, but am I the only one who doesn't care about its "pretty" visuals? In my personal opinion, this wasn't any more "pretty" than Lord of the Rings, and that was mostly miniatures and location shots.

I thought visually it was far more stunning than LOTR.

I did see it in 3D, by the way. You have no idea how much I wanted to take those darned glasses off, because I kept starting to get headaches. But I couldn't for the whole movie, because of the double-sight-thing-whatever that makes the technology work.

The first time I saw a 3D movie that happened to me but with Avatar I was fine. And the double vison effect is caused by their being two separate images on the screen and the each lens of your glasses blocks out one image (I think though that is what it looks like I could be wrong).

It is nice to see 3D not only coming back to cinema, but finally being put to good use; but I'm just not interested in the technology. Then again, I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to films.

I think 3D is the next stage in film just like how colour was the step up from black and white.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Yes. :p

Well, no. And Memoirs Of A Geisha was even prettier. Doesn't make Avatar any less so.

Ah, yes. That was a beautiful movie.

I didn't say Avatar wasn't pretty. It was. I just don't really make a big deal about it. The view of sunsets from my house is pretty. Mt. Diablo, under whose shadow I live, is pretty.

It was a pretty movie. I just don't get how it's such a big deal.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I thought visually it was far more stunning than LOTR.

I disagree. ^_^ Avatar was certainly more colorful, that's for certain. But come on: in terms of pure landscape shots, it's going to be very hard for future filmmakers to match the lighting of the beacons scene. :yes:

BTW, Avatar wasn't less beautiful that LOTR; however, in my opinion, it wasn't more beautiful, either. But they were both beautiful in their own ways: LOTR in realistic grittiness, and Avatar in fantastic colorfulness.

The first time I saw a 3D movie that happened to me but with Avatar I was fine. And the double vison effect is caused by their being two separate images on the screen and the each lens of your glasses blocks out one image (I think though that is what it looks like I could be wrong).

I'm not really sure, either.

I think 3D is the next stage in film just like how colour was the step up from black and white.

If used right, it could be. Just remember that 3D has been around since the 70s, and it died out since.

As long as filmmakers remember that 3D isn't all that's needed: after all, Ed Wood was black-and-white, and better because of it. As was Schindler's List.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
I did love this movie a lot, but am I the only one who doesn't care about its "pretty" visuals? In my personal opinion, this wasn't any more "pretty" than Lord of the Rings, and that was mostly miniatures and location shots.

I did see it in 3D, by the way. You have no idea how much I wanted to take those darned glasses off, because I kept starting to get headaches. But I couldn't for the whole movie, because of the double-sight-thing-whatever that makes the technology work.

It is nice to see 3D not only coming back to cinema, but finally being put to good use; but I'm just not interested in the technology. Then again, I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to films.

I thought I was the only one..I got a headache too.But it was worth it.I think its my eyes..and the pressure of the glasses on my temples..

I didnt get into Lord of the Rings so I cant comment.But I saw Jurassic Park :D

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Dallas
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I thought I was the only one..I got a headache too.But it was worth it.I think its my eyes..and the pressure of the glasses on my temples..

I didnt get into Lord of the Rings so I cant comment.But I saw Jurassic Park :D

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Dallas

Ah... Jurassic Park... now THAT is, indeed, a masterpiece of book-adaptation/cinema in general.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
If used right, it could be. Just remember that 3D has been around since the 70s, and it died out since.

As long as filmmakers remember that 3D isn't all that's needed: after all, Ed Wood was black-and-white, and better because of it. As was Schindler's List.
I enjoyed the way the 3D was more subdued in Avatar, it wasn't used as a gag throwing stuff off the screen at the audience, but more subtly adding to the visual experience...

Also, it takes me at least 20 mins to adjust to 3D, that is rather annoying...
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
I enjoyed the way the 3D was more subdued in Avatar, it wasn't used as a gag throwing stuff off the screen at the audience, but more subtly adding to the visual experience...

Also, it takes me at least 20 mins to adjust to 3D, that is rather annoying...

Thats what happened to me but it was probably only 5 or 10 minutes max things looked blury.I was thinking OH GREAT! This whole movie is going to be ruined for me ...Then it corrected itself.But as I mentioned above I ended up with a dull head ache about halfway through.It wasnt bad enough though to make it not worth it.

Oh and I felt a little dizzy too.Like a little vertigo.

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Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I did love this movie a lot, but am I the only one who doesn't care about its "pretty" visuals? In my personal opinion, this wasn't any more "pretty" than Lord of the Rings, and that was mostly miniatures and location shots.

You may not be the only one, but you're certainly in a minority. The visuals might have been the best I've seen. I didn't expect them to be that good, judging from the trailers, but they well exceeded my expectations. It was definitely a lot prettier than LoTR.

I have to say, without the visuals this movie is below-average. I thought the story was just good enough to make it worth the visuals, but not good enough to make the movie work on its own.

I did see it in 3D, by the way. You have no idea how much I wanted to take those darned glasses off, because I kept starting to get headaches. But I couldn't for the whole movie, because of the double-sight-thing-whatever that makes the technology work.

I hear ya. Early in the movie I lifted my glasses, and saw the bluriness. At first I felt like it was going to give me a headache, but after a little while I was fine for the rest of the movie. I will enjoy seeing it again not in 3D, but I'm glad I got the full experience.
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
I saw the movie on christmas with riverwolf and I have to say I loved it. It was really refreshing to see that the movie theatres were able to put out a good movie for once. The visuals were stunning, the 3D added great depth to the movie without being all flashy and in your face, the characters were well rounded and very diverse, and it did an incredible job of telling a story that, while it may have been done before, is usually done poorly. I hear a lot of people complaining about the story and most people seem to think that that is the weakest part of this movie and I can understand where you are coming from. It is a very basic plot-line that has been done to death in the past. I think the reason avatar is so different is because the characters are so good. This is a heavily character driven story, that is the character's are what move the plot along rather than the plot moving the characters. I think that's the main reason I loved the story most of all because character driven stories are my favorite kind of stories. If any of the characters in this movie weren't there or got swaped with someone else it would have changed the whole thing drastically. I think that's why so many people look down on the story of this movie, because they get caught up in the basic plot-line and the fact that it's been done before and thus don't focus on the characters and how this movie was really about them and not the plot itself. Also the movie is meant to be spiritual and isn't meant to take place in our universe which is where I think a lot of other people get caught up as they have trouble suspending their disbelief.

I have only one complaint in that I wish the army girl(trudy?) hadn't died as she did. I didn't have a problem with her dying I just wish she'd have been able to go out with a bigger bang, take a few guys down with her. Oh and the kissing scene was awkward and didn't address the fact that she's already betrothed to another guy(and how did the father find out?) But other than that I thought it was great and would definitely go see it again if I had the money.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I think the reason avatar is so different is because the characters are so good. This is a heavily character driven story, that is the character's are what move the plot along rather than the plot moving the characters. I think that's the main reason I loved the story most of all because character driven stories are my favorite kind of stories. If any of the characters in this movie weren't there or got swaped with someone else it would have changed the whole thing drastically. I think that's why so many people look down on the story of this movie, because they get caught up in the basic plot-line and the fact that it's been done before and thus don't focus on the characters and how this movie was really about them and not the plot itself. Also the movie is meant to be spiritual and isn't meant to take place in our universe which is where I think a lot of other people get caught up as they have trouble suspending their disbelief.

I have to disagree. I don't think there was anything special about the characters, and I do think the characters were driven by the plot, not the other way around. You had the older, veteran, sort-of-redneck, drill sergeant type commander who just wanted to blow stuff up and kill people. You had the scientist who loved her work. You had the main character who was not especially fleshed out to the point where the change that takes place within him doesn't seem like much of a change. You had the love interest who was a very basic character, the tribal leader's daughter (surprise, surprise) with nothing that really stood out. You had the leader of the whole human mission who was supposed to be conflicted but was your average slimeball.

Anyway, I didn't think the characters were anything special. They were good enough, but I certainly wouldn't classify this as character-driven.

Just my opinion.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I have to disagree. I don't think there was anything special about the characters, and I do think the characters were driven by the plot, not the other way around. You had the older, veteran, sort-of-redneck, drill sergeant type commander who just wanted to blow stuff up and kill people. You had the scientist who loved her work. You had the main character who was not especially fleshed out to the point where the change that takes place within him doesn't seem like much of a change. You had the love interest who was a very basic character, the tribal leader's daughter (surprise, surprise) with nothing that really stood out. You had the leader of the whole human mission who was supposed to be conflicted but was your average slimeball.

Anyway, I didn't think the characters were anything special. They were good enough, but I certainly wouldn't classify this as character-driven.

Just my opinion.

Well, the characters were flushed out not by the script, but the actors. The corporate douche-bag did have a few moments of indecision, and the drill sergeant did occasionally seem to be ashamed of what he was doing.
 
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