Average Mohamed Cartoons

[Theweirdtophat]

I'm wondering what do people think of this when others think that Muslims don't condemn Islamic terrorism. There's a guy who makes cartoons that goes against ISIS and Islamic extremism. Wondering what people think of this.

Average Mohamed

 

[faroukfarouk]

I'm wondering what do people think of this when others think that Muslims don't condemn Islamic terrorism. There's a guy who makes cartoons that goes against ISIS and Islamic extremism. Wondering what people think of this.

Average Mohamed

Can you define the word "Islamic terrorism".

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hi there.

The videos on that link are blocked here in the office, but I presume (from the word average) that they have a respectfully drawn cartoon character representing Muhammad.

Accordingly, I'm a Saudi Arabian Muslim from Makkah (not Wa ha bi) and my thought about it is that it is friendly and not intentionally harmful, and the author has good intentions doing it.

It is just that Muslims do not like to have Muhammad drawn for some reason. Islam's position of it (as a religion) is not clear to me actually. (But this is just me, maybe there is a hint in Islam for it?). So I'd say that the best compromise is to not draw it and prevent any expected (yes, it is expected as a norm, not unexpected) terrorist acts against it. I don't prefer it, but don't condemn who do it. I choose to reason with them, respectfully asking them to not do it. Not for my ego, but for their own safety. There are extremists in Islam after all and no one can predict what and to what they will act. If they rejected my friendly respectful request, I'd just pull out peacefully and leave it as it is.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Hi there.

The videos on that link are blocked here in the office, but I presume (from the word average) that they have a respectfully drawn cartoon character representing Muhammad.

Accordingly, I'm a Saudi Arabian Muslim from Makkah (not Wa ha bi) and my thought about it is that it is friendly and not intentionally harmful, and the author has good intentions doing it.

It is just that Muslims do not like to have Muhammad drawn for some reason. Islam's position of it (as a religion) is not clear to me actually. (But this is just me, maybe there is a hint in Islam for it?). So I'd say that the best compromise is to not draw it and prevent any expected (yes, it is expected as a norm, not unexpected) terrorist acts against it. I don't prefer it, but don't condemn who do it. I choose to reason with them, respectfully asking them to not do it. Not for my ego, but for their own safety. There are extremists in Islam after all and no one can predict what and to what they will act. If they rejected my friendly respectful request, I'd just pull out peacefully and leave it as it is.

Smart Guy
If i meet you face to face and i swear your mother.
What will your emotional reaction be?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Smart Guy
If i meet you face to face and i swear your mother.
What will your emotional reaction be?

I'd be sad of course, but the reaction I make is what matters for the public opinion, right?

You're Muslim too, so I believe you know that Prophet Muhammad said insulting someone's parent is insulting your own parents (the Hadith). I would take after that Hadith and tell you that you insulted your own mother like that, not mine, explaining to you my point of view. Some of the rational Muslims I know of here in Saudi Arabia actually had such incident and all they did was asking the offender "What does my parent has to do with our disagreement?"

But I'm curious. What does this question has to do with our discussion here? I thought the cartoons of this thread are friendly not intended for an insult!

 

[Lyndon]

I think you may have misunderstood Smart Guy, I looked at the link, they do not portray the Prophet(pbuh) just a cartoon depiction of an average modern Muslim named Mohammed with dark skin, (a very common Muslim name), (I think that's what they mean by average) I didn't actually watch them but its all set in Modern situations, not the time of the Prophet(pbuh).

 

[Smart_Guy]

Oops, my bad!

I screwed this thread, sorry.

 

[Lyndon]

No problem Smart One, who can blame you, its blocked in your country and it says Mohamed. Its not that good;

Ok I watched some of it just so you know what it might be, Its a Somali man talking an almost prewritten script about fighting extremists, who seems to be a secular person rather than a man of faith in Islam, so it seems he's not really fighting extremists from the position of an observant Muslim, but rather the position of a less religious man. One cartoon does quote the Koran, but the whole thing sounds artificial and not fully sincere, like he's being payed to do it by someone else?? He says he's set up a "corporation" to fight extremists, and wants to participate in the "free market of values", kInd of weird because his Somali accent is so strong, you can't really understand half of what he says, especially in the cartoons, his name is Mohamed, and he appears to be himself and the voice in the cartoons.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Cool. Thanks for the overview!

The link here in the office is blocked internally by the company's server. I could be working at home. I'll have a look at it later.

 

[Tiapan]

Definitely a step in the right direction, but it is a bit amateurish if it has to compete with some of the slick ISIL presentations that are professionally tailored to appeal to the disillusioned testosterone powered youth in rebellion mode, under the veneer of a pseudo-religion.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

No problem Smart One, who can blame you, its blocked in your country and it says Mohamed. Its not that good;

Ok I watched some of it just so you know what it might be, Its a Somali man talking an almost prewritten script about fighting extremists, who seems to be a secular person rather than a man of faith in Islam, so it seems he's not really fighting extremists from the position of an observant Muslim, but rather the position of a less religious man. One cartoon does quote the Koran, but the whole thing sounds artificial and not fully sincere, like he's being payed to do it by someone else?? He says he's set up a "corporation" to fight extremists, and wants to participate in the "free market of values", kInd of weird because his Somali accent is so strong, you can't really understand half of what he says, especially in the cartoons, his name is Mohamed, and he appears to be himself and the voice in the cartoons.

Well of course it's a prewritten script since he's doing cartoon. His accent isn't that difficult to understand and it's the effort that counts really.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

Can you define the word "Islamic terrorism".

That's two words, and as such it's a phrase. In any event:

"The meaning of the term 'terrorism' is not seriously in dispute. It is defined with sufficient clarity in the official U.S. Code and numerous government publications. A U.S. Army manual on countering the plague defines terrorism as 'the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature. This is done through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.' Still more succinct is the characterization in a Pentagon-commissioned study by noted terrorologist Robert Kupperman, which speaks of the threat or use of force 'to achieve political objectives without the full-scale commitment of resources.'" ~ from Necessary Illusions by Noam Chomsky.

If we can accept that definition, then "Islamic Terrorism" would be "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence by Muslims to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature."

 

[outhouse]

If i meet you face to face and i swear your mother.
What will your emotional reaction be?

Why compare one's mother, to this person who lived so long ago?

Are you saying you have bonds for said person equal to your own mother?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Why compare one's mother, to this person who lived so long ago?

Are you saying you have bonds for said person equal to your own mother?

Um, it's a Muslim thing. Really complicated

 

[faroukfarouk]

That's two words, and as such it's a phrase. In any event:

"The meaning of the term 'terrorism' is not seriously in dispute. It is defined with sufficient clarity in the official U.S. Code and numerous government publications. A U.S. Army manual on countering the plague defines terrorism as 'the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature. This is done through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.' Still more succinct is the characterization in a Pentagon-commissioned study by noted terrorologist Robert Kupperman, which speaks of the threat or use of force 'to achieve political objectives without the full-scale commitment of resources.'" ~ from Necessary Illusions by Noam Chomsky.

If we can accept that definition, then "Islamic Terrorism" would be "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence by Muslims to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature."

Quite interesting.
Note i going to go off topic on your OP but it will be interesting to get views on this definition.
ISIS definately falls under this definition and we can label it a terrorist organisation.But the question arises weather we can label it as an "Islamic Terrorist Organisation"?
Consider the fact that the organisation represent a minor segment of the muslim population and they do not have the support of the majority muslims.

 

[outhouse]

Consider the fact that the organisation represent a minor segment of the muslim population and they do not have the support of the majority muslims.

Islam has no organization, It has no body, that one can count and say it only represents a small part. Most all of islam is divided.

You cannot get away with calling it anything BUT radical islam.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Islam has no organization, It has no body, that one can count and say it only represents a small part. Most all of islam is divided.

You cannot get away with calling it anything BUT radical islam.

Let me understand you correctly.
Are you calling ISIS radical Islam.

 

[Nakosis]

Quite interesting.
Note i going to go off topic on your OP but it will be interesting to get views on this definition.
ISIS definately falls under this definition and we can label it a terrorist organisation.But the question arises weather we can label it as an "Islamic Terrorist Organisation"?
Consider the fact that the organisation represent a minor segment of the muslim population and they do not have the support of the majority muslims.

Fair enough, except they refer to themselves as Islamic.

 

[outhouse]

Are you calling ISIS radical Islam.

Yes.

Who does not call them that?

 

[ChristineES]

Let's narrow it down a bit. Let's make up a family: The Goodies. Let's imagine that the Goodies' son, Ooka, decided to go and rob a bank. The neighbors, rather than condemning Ooka, instead tell the rest of the Goodies that they are not speaking out against Ooka.
I think that might be what's going on in regards to Islam right now. The vast majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists and not speaking out publically against those who are is not required, althought it would be helpful.