Baha'i and Messengers

[Spirit of Light]

Ironically it is only theists brash and arrogant enough to declare that a God exists and that atheists are wrong. Who has the ego problem?

I can only speak from my own understanding, and its a lot i have not yet understood.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Maybe you can open yourself to learn.

That is what sufism is about, understand how to open up to see God.

Material world is not important in the big picture, it will be gone one day. Same as my body.

 

[F1fan]

That is what sufism is about, understand how to open up to see God.

Material world is not important in the big picture, it will be gone one day. Same as my body.

You seem to be distressed nonetheless.

 

[ppp]

It is not how it works. If God suddenly stood in front of me i would know, and that is not how it works.
If I at the level of wisdom i have saw God i would not be able to see the full truth, only up to my understanding.

One has to reach each level of understanding before the true "image" is revieled

There are rules in communication from God to humans. God knows that

I'm sorry, that I cannot accept a logical contradiction as a valid response. You can have an omnipotent god that is capable of everything, or you can have a god with limits. You cannot have both.

 

[F1fan]

I can only speak from my own understanding, and its a lot i have not yet understood.

But it's not your understanding. You're listening to what others say is true. Have you considered that is the problem?

 

[Spirit of Light]

You seem to be distressed nonetheless.

I am in a uncomfortable situation, because I can see where many people going, they are going to suffer and I wish I could save them from suffering. But I can not.
They have to awaken to it them selves.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm sorry, that I cannot accept a logical contradiction as a valid response. You can have an omnipotent god that is capable of everything, or you can have a god with limits. You cannot have both.

Its ok you dont understand.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm sorry, that I cannot accept a logical contradiction as a valid response. You can have an omnipotent god that is capable of everything, or you can have a god with limits. You cannot have both.

Well, that you can't accept a logical contradiction is in your brain, that doesn't tell you if a logical contradiction is possible for the universe and/or God as such.
You are mixing metaphysics/ontology and logic.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But it's not your understanding. You're listening to what others say is true. Have you considered that is the problem?

It is my understanding, because even I listen to others, I am the one who sitting at home every day pondering about what I have read, heard or seen each day.
I am not one who blindly follow just because someone tell me "this is how it is"
I ask questions toward everything.

( but since I do it at home alone, people in RF does not see that part of the practice)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But it's not your understanding. You're listening to what others say is true. Have you considered that is the problem?

So what is the limit to the law of non-contradiction? You should know, because you have checked?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What is the answers you looking for @F1fan and @Policy

What do you expect a believer to answer you?
How much time each day are you using to study the scriptures or speaking with people from different religious faiths to gain a deeper understanding what they believe in?

Are you unbiased when you seeking the answers, or are you looking to find faults in scriptures vs what believers actually believe?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What is the answers you looking for @F1fan and @Policy

What do you expect a believer to answer you?
How much time each day are you using to study the scriptures or speaking with people from different religious faiths to gain a deeper understanding what they believe in?

Are you unbiased when you seeking the answers, or are you looking to find faults in scriptures vs what believers actually believe?

Well, I will answer as a believer. We all try to find out how to cope as humans. The joke is that some people try to claim authority over something they don't have authority over, but they can only see that in everybody else, because they don't doubt that they have authority as they in effect claim.
And that has nothing to do with religion or not.

 

[Truthseeker]

And according to several Baha'i folks there is no way to test whether a person who claims to be a Messenger is authentic. That's a serious flaw.

You are wrong about that. And I suspect you know it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are wrong about that. And I suspect you know it.

Well, he is neither right or wrong. He is using his brain differently that you.

 

[Truthseeker]

But it's not your understanding. You're listening to what others say is true. Have you considered that is the problem?

He just demonstrated a lack of ego, and you don't see it.

 

[oldbadger]

Well, it does not work like that, as a human being we have a vail in us called ego, until our ego slipp away communication with God is more or less impossible.
God could "stand" next to you and you would not see God, due to ego. So it is actually up to us humans to do the job.

Who told you that?

 

[oldbadger]

It is not how it works. If God suddenly stood in front of me i would know, and that is not how it works.
If I at the level of wisdom i have saw God i would not be able to see the full truth, only up to my understanding.

One has to reach each level of understanding before the true "image" is revieled

There are rules in communication from God to humans. God knows that

And who told you that?

 

[RestlessSoul]

What would be the message that need be conveyed? To everyone?

Timing might have been a bit out here, but Ive often felt Bowie was a kind of prophet...

 

[Spirit of Light]

Who told you that?

It is my understanding from teaching, teacher but I have ponder about it for a long time, so the word and thoughts is from my own understanding

 

[Spirit of Light]

And who told you that?

It is from how I understand it to be.