Baha'i logical afterlife

[lostwanderingsoul]

That would be the aforementioned attempt to pass the extortion of worship and obedience with threats of torture or death as laudable and moral behavior.

You have had adequate time to present a defense where you demonstrate that setting up a system of torture or death, and then making people obey so that you can save them from the perils that you created in the first place is not low and immoral. You are trying to hang on by claiming that I don't understand, but you cannot even demonstrate that you have any understanding, @lostwanderingsoul.

Sorry to disappoint you but I have no need to defend God. And I feel that whatever I say, you will have a snappy answer to show that I am wrong. Maybe you can demonstrate why having rules and enforcing those rules is offensive and immoral.

 

[ppp]

Sorry to disappoint you but I have no need to defend God. And I feel that whatever I say, you will have a snappy answer to show that I am wrong.

Oh please. The practice of coercing worship and obedience with threats of torture or death is obviously immoral. Of course that is my "snappy answer". It should be everybody's snappy answer,

Maybe you can demonstrate why having rules and enforcing those rules is offensive and immoral.

I didn't say rules in general, now did I? I said, "That would be the aforementioned attempt to pass the extortion of worship and obedience with threats of torture or death as laudable and moral behavior."

 

[Earthtank]

I like baha'i's belief in afterlife. That they do not scare people with eternal concious torment in hell. To scare people with eternal hell is just cruel. God should not be worshiped out of fear. The afterlife they believe in shows that God is loving, and at the same time just. The afterlife they believe in is also logical.

Baha’is speak of Heaven as nearness to God and Hell as remoteness from God. Heaven represents the joy experienced by a soul that is spiritually close to God, while the torments of “hell” symbolize the suffering a soul endures when it is spiritually far from its Creator. Baha’is believe such spiritual “proximity to” or “distance from” God is determined by a person’s love for the Creator and the degree to which he sincerely tries in his life to reflect the true Teachings revealed by God's prophets.

In baha'i teachings salvation is a process. The process of acquiring spiritual virtues. The main aim of life should be to perfect these spiritual attributes; the more these are perfected, the closer humans become to God. And it is this closeness to God that is the heaven or paradise referred to in the scriptures of all religions.
Failing to develop these virtues means humans separating themselves from God, and that is hell. Thus heaven and hell are not distinct places; they are spiritual conditions both in this world and in the after-life.

What do you think about this matter?

there's ZERO logic in anything wit the Bahai

 

[Trailblazer]

there's ZERO logic in anything wit the Bahai

Can you explain why you think that?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Can you explain why you think that?

There is a BIG difference between life and death and it is NOT a difference of distance. Death is the absence of life, not life in a different location.

 

[JoshuaTree]

There is a BIG difference between life and death and it is NOT a difference of distance. Death is the absence of life, not life in a different location.

What about life or absence of life before conception?

 

[arthra]

The soul is associated with the body at conception and continues with the foetus until birth... Now the soul is in the womb with the umbilicus and has no perspective of what life is like outside the womb.

After birth begins the "life" as we know it in the material world. The soul is still associated with the body. The purpose of life is to acquire virtues and reflect the attributes of God and this prepares us for life in the spiritual worlds after our soul ascends from the body. The evidence of Near Death Experiences suggests the separation of the soul from the body.
See:
The Science of Near-Death Experiences

The ultimate is to be in the presence of God.
and another is being in touch with the Concourse on High:
Concourse on High | Bahá’í Quotes

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Why Do Spiritual Beings Need a Physical World?


To hold that the spirit is annihilated upon the death of the body is to imagine that a bird imprisoned in a cage would perish if the cage were to be broken, though the bird has nothing to fear from the breaking of the cage. This body is even as the cage and the spirit is like the bird… Therefore, should the cage be broken, the bird would not only continue to exist but its senses would be heightened, its perception would be expanded, and its joy would grow more intense.

– Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, newly revised edition, p. 262.

The Baha’i teachings ask us to meditate on the next world, as it reminds us of our true reality and purpose in this life.

The Rational Soul | What Bahá’ís Believe

 

[rational experiences]

That is not what I meant as you probably know,
as I am not generally noted for saying ridiculous things.

But for clarity -
If something cannot be detected in any way,
has no theoretical basis and is contrary to all known law / theory in science it is a lot more
reasonable to assume it does not exist than that it does.

See Batboy, Superman, and the Great Blue Ox
for possible consideration of non existentence- characteristics.

What about archaeological evidence inside stone mass metal human made machine parts. Archaeology aware human choice. Subject to prove science in the past combusted life. Why we said science was satanism. And humans Satanists.

A human reality teaching remembered....voices hear. Memories. Recorded atmospheric images. Life records recorded whilst living expressing bio feelings in owned bio chemistry. Recorded feelings.

To say. Atmosphere burnt. Became hot. Giant reptile life took possession of human life inside heavenly life.

Consciously quote from a human pre lived human memory...we became lizard people yet it was scientific memories. What human science had caused

As a rational pyramid thesis.

Stating...no I am not an alien

Aliens owned the technology. Radiation fallout human design caused....destruction of the designer human now just an image

Machine owner of alien of the God stone nation. The seal of earth God.

Alien anti machine body mass by built human designer.

Technology destroyed.

Reason God X mass destroyed nuclear dust mass converted gone.

God history Gone.

Not difficult to review cause effect rationally when you do not think self chosen to be harmed. Or a special human for being chosen to be harmed.

I think the Bible even quoted don't think of Jesus as being special?