ppp
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No more and no less than the Kitab-i-Aqdas is the personal opinion of that guy you call Bahá'u'lláh.
Please tell me you understand that
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Baha'i Totalitarian Oligarchy?
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Please tell me you understand that
Trailblazer
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No, if Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God who spoke for God, it was God's opinion, not a personal opinion.
It all hinges on whether Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God or not. Yes or no.
Please tell me you understand that.
ppp
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No, if I am informed by the universe around me then what I say is a brute fact and transcends opinion. Rendering gods and messengers superfluous.
Whether you understand that, or not.
Trailblazer
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The obvious problem with your statement is that other people are also informed by the universe around them but they do not share your opinions.No, if I am informed by the universe around me then what I say is a brute fact and transcends opinion. Rendering gods and messengers superfluous.
Whether you understand that, or not.
That presents a logical problem whether you understand that, or not.
ppp
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Well, clearly if they don't agree with me, then they are not informed by the universe. You should agreee with that reasoning. After all, it's yours.The obvious problem with your statement is that other people are also informed by the universe around them but they do not share your opinions.
That presents a logical problem whether you understand that, or not.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It certainly is NOT my reasoning.Well, clearly if they don't agree with me, then they are not informed by the universe. You should agreee with that reasoning. After all, it's yours.
My reasoning is that if they don't don't recognize Baha'u'llah, then they are not informed about God's Will for this age.
NONE if thus is about me. I would much rather be sunning myself on the beach.
ppp
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I'm not talking about your reasoning about 'they'. I'm talking about your reasoning about B.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I never said anyone should agree with my reasoning about B. In fact I have said the exact opposite.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I did not say that you said that anyone should agree with your reasoning.
Are we just saying random things now?
The moon is waxing. It looks like wild chanterelle season is over. My kiln has been holding at Cone 10 for about an hour.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You will have to be more clear if you want me to understand what you mean.
I am not much for indirect communication.
CG Didymus
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200 years ago every man in every country in the world could have had multiple wives. If only they had listened to the "moral" codes of God's latest messenger up to the point, Muhammad. Fortunately, the man that took the title, "Glory of God", got in just in time. He got his three wives before God told him to change the rule to only on wife.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
And how would she know what God thinks about what you think of him. And strangely, she has said she doesn't like God sometimes.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Nah. If You're not trucking the conversation, I'm not going to reconstruct it.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Okay.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Sometimes she makes detailed claims about what God's sock drawer. Other times she says God is unknowable. Sometimes she's God's Secretary. Other times she's definitely not God's Secretary.
I've been left all in the whirl.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Maybe God cares, I do not know. Only God knows what He cares about.
CG Didymus
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Yes, you don't know, but sometimes you make statements as if you do know.
Firstly, the spirit with which Baha’u’llah has imbued His Revelation is one of loving kindness towards all the peoples of the world. It is a spiritual system based on collective consultation, virtues and where the dignity and rights of all is upheld.
Having said that, it is a system which is only for the Baha’is, those who have willingly and voluntarily sought its shelter. In other words, Baha’is only.
Just as humanity lives under the current various systems in the world, that will continue until people choose differently. Maybe the entire world will choose to be a democracy, or a communist society or an Islamic one, nobody knows.
Humanity’s destiny is in its own hands. God doesn’t interfere and the Baha’is certainly won’t either. If the world chooses to have a third war then so be it. We are an alternative, somewhat like alternative medicine. People are free to choose or walk away or oppose or say whatever they wish as that is their right.
If people feel a system based on love for all humanity is no good then simply reject it.
But for me it’s this system that saved my life, that gave me a stable marriage and inner peace and contentment. That has not harmed a hair of my head and encouraged me to accept all as equals, religious or not and that teaches me that my religion is not superior to the others, that they are all true. It teaches me to look upon all people with a bright and friendly face and to accept all people as myequals. To be inclusive.
If that is not acceptable then I can offer no suggestion but to look elsewhere. But as for myself, this is my beloved and my hearts desire that I finally found after terrible mental suffering.
For me, I wouldn’t trade these wonderful, inspiring and life giving teachings and system for all the treasures in the universe.