I just started a new OP and this is why we trust those verses. One God gave them to us.
How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?
Regards Tony
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Bahai's and the Bible. Errant or Inerrant. Holistic or cherry picking?
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I just started a new OP and this is why we trust those verses. One God gave them to us.
How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?
Regards Tony
firedragon
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How do you know God gave them?
One of the tests God gave us to determine a true Messenger is the Word, it's ability to create a new civilization and its influence across time.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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As I explained to @ Brian2 in #176
The Advocate/Comforter is a Title for the man who brings the Holy Spirit, but the Advocate/Comforter can also be thought of as the Holy Spirit since it is the Bounty of God that comforts people. God sent the Comforter/Holy Spirit when He sent Jesus. Then later God sent another Comforter in Jesus' name.
So Jesus was an Advocate/Comforter and Baha’u’llah was another Advocate/another Comforter.
Regarding the Son of man episode in the Gospel of Matthew, I refer you to a thread I started about four months ago:
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
Trailblazer
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Why do you trust the verses in the Qur'an?
firedragon
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The question I asked brother is why you said the verses given in the post I responded to were from God. This answer you have given is completely irrelevant. Its more like proselytising than answering the question I asked brother. I am sorry, I cannot engage with proselytising.
If you want I can cut and paste the quotes I responded to. They were from the Gospels in the NT. So it has nothing to do with "determining a messenger".
firedragon
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Please read my full post. This is irrelevant.
Aight. I shall take a read.
Trailblazer
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Since you have covered it, can you explain what you do not agree with and why you don't agree with it (other than the fact that you do not recognize Baha'u'llah as a Manifestation of God?)
Do you mean you think that LOH does not know that Baha'u'llah covered it?
LOH is a brother. In fact, I am the only sister Baha'i in this forum, all the others are my brothers.
firedragon
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Hmm. You really want to get to that debate? Quran vs New Testament?
Is this your style of responding to a question? Your answer is like "I do the same mistake you do". Its called the Tu Quoque fallacy.
If you cannot answer a question, its less embarrassing to stay without giving an answer rather than doing a logical fallacy.
This seems like a prevalent habit of the Bahais. Tu Quoque fallacy all the time. Please try and refraining from it.
If you really want to compare the Quran and the Four Gospels in the New Testament, we will have to look at various forms of criticism. Do you wish to engage? But please note, that its not relevant to this particular question I asked.
I have absolutely no idea why you responded like this, I really can not see why you have not seen what was offered.
The Bible we can get off the shelf is the Word of God, it is as Abdul'baha has offered. The Bible is the Essence of what Jesus the Christ, a Messenger gave, just as the Quran is that record for Muhammad.
"THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.." Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás.
The Book cannot be seperated from the Messenger.
Regards Tony
firedragon
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Since you have covered it, can you explain what you do not agree with and why you don't agree with it (other than the fact that you do not recognize Baha'u'llah as a Manifestation of God?)
Do you mean you think that LOH does not know that Baha'u'llah covered it?
LOH is a brother. In fact, I am the only sister Baha'i in this forum, all the others are my brothers.
Bahaullah has no clue of Biblical scholarship. He makes errors, quotes textual variants that are proven by even laymen to be false, latter additions.
By the way, Investigativetruth is a sister right?
InvestigateTruth
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I suggest ultimately we trust our logic. We all rely on what makes logical to us. So, in Bahai view, the Logic is, there is an All-powerful God, All-knowing God, whose purpose has been to guide, test, and according reward us. And to do so, He reveals Books, and ensures that the Holy Books which comes in His Name, are legitimate. Thus, all His Books, including the Bible is legitimate.
This is basically what Bahaullah says, but I explain in my own words:
God has power over all things, why would He allow a Bible which claims to be from God, be illegitimate, and cause falsehoods?
The Bahais trust Bahaullah, because He has shown supernatural powers, and one of the most obvious reason for that is revealing so many Books, whereas He did not go to school and did not have education in religion.
firedragon
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Because you did not answer the question. You were preaching. Sorry, I cannot participate in that kind of rhetoric.
Well. We are referring to particular verses. So a general statement would not suffice.
Also, in this case you will have to prove that the Bible is the Gods word. How would you prove it? This thread has now become irrelevant, so the statement "because Bahaullah said so" will not work anymore brother.
Do you even know who wrote the book of Hebrew? Please tell me who wrote that book.
firedragon
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Well, supernatural powers have failed in that case. This is not talking logically, this is preaching and proselytising.
Can you tell me who wrote the Gospel of Matthew?
The proof is in the pudding.
For many thousands of years it has been the favourite pudding.
The Bible has proved its own self as the Word from God.
Regards Tony
firedragon
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What? Oh my God. I have called him sister like so many times. He must have thought I am some weirdo to keep calling him sister. Good God. This is fine embarrassment.
firedragon
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Sorry. Thats just preaching. Its invalid.
I see this is just continually prolteszing a martial view of the Bible. Thinking that God has no control over how the Bible was to be recorded for future generations.
The Key here is, the Bible was only needed to AD622, as the Christian should have embraced Muhammad and the Quran. The Jews should have embraced Christ and Muhammad.
Regards Tony
firedragon
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Tell me Tony. DO you consider the Epistle of Barnabas as Gods word? If not, why not? It was in the earliest Bible ever found. So please enlighten me.