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[Katzpur]

Understanding the Bible correctly is a gift that God gives to His elect only, so everyone else will never understand the scriptures in their intended context.

Well then, obviously the rest of us need not even make an effort. If we're on God's short list of people He likes, great. Otherwise, there's no point in our even trying to "understand the scriptures." There's also -- please take note of this -- no reason why you should even be proselytizing to us. The deal has already been signed, sealed and delivered. We couldn't be among "the elect" if we tried. It wouldn't matter what we believed or how we behaved. If we're not on the list, we're toast.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Understanding the Bible correctly is a gift that God gives to His elect only, so everyone else will never understand the scriptures in their intended context.

The Bible clearly states that people sacrifice their babies for a reason, the reason is described in the Bible is the same reason people kill their babies today. They may not admit that they are sacrificing their baby to achieve a goal, the main goal is to free themselves of the responsibility of raising a child. Satan and His Demons have deceived people into believing that the child will interfere with their ability to live a certain lifestyle.

The powers of darkness have deceived many people into believing that life is all about fulfilling your lust for pleasure and enjoying life without any responsibility and many believe that their purpose in life is to enjoy life as much as possible so they give it the highest priority.

There are only two types of people in the world, we have those who live to sever God and those who live to serve their sin. The highest priority for Gods people is to do Gods will at all times and to put His will above all things and make serving Him the most important priority in life. The other type of person lives to serve their own will, so they do whatever they want to do. Their highest priority is to do exactly what they want to do, the Bible describes them as "heathen" that word describes a person who lives for pleasure.

So we only have these two types of people, those who serve God and those who serve themselves. Christians are the prisoners of Christ, we don't have a free will we can only do what Christ allows us to do. The heathen are free to do what ever they want, so they always choose to do things their own way and believe whatever they choose to believe but it's never the One true God, it's always something other than the true God who exists in three persons The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

Satan and His Demons were cast down into the world where they have been deceiving people for the past 6000 years, their only goal is to stop you from believing the truth. Christ said "I am the truth" so as long as they can stop you from believing in Christ they will leave you alone because they know you will end up in hell with them.

Every single person who ever lived will be raised from the grave and we will all stand before Christ on judgement day and everyone who never knew Him as their Savior will be cast into hell with Satan and His Demons to be tormented in hell forever.

So the only reason people will go to hell is because they didn't know Jesus as their savior, the bible is very clear and that's the only reason anyone will be cast into hell. So we only have two types of people, those who belong to Christ and the rest who did their own thing.

What country do you live in where child sacrifice is a real thing?

 

[Dragonslayer]

Ah, I don't understand the Bible because I disagree with your interpretation of it. How convenient. Fortunately you've admitted you're no scholar



So I'm not obligated to take your interpretation of the Bible as authoritative.




I'll be waiting to report every single one of your attempts to convert me since that's a rule breach.

I'm not trying to convert you, nobody can convert anyone. All I can do is share my experience with you and pray for you. God is the one who converts people, I just try to quote the Bible and what it teaches us.

You don't need to be a Bible scholar to believe what it says, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is very plain and easy to understand. There many deep theological complicated scriptures but these are not imperative, the main Gospel (good news) message is simple and plain to understand.

Jesus said, "as many as believe in Me shall be saved" notice He didn't say anything about becoming a Bible scholar before you can be saved.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Well then, obviously the rest of us need not even make an effort. If we're on God's short list of people He likes, great. Otherwise, there's no point in our even trying to "understand the scriptures." There's also -- please take note of this -- no reason why you should even be proselytizing to us. The deal has already been signed, sealed and delivered. We couldn't be among "the elect" if we tried. It wouldn't matter what we believed or how we behaved. If we're not on the list, we're toast.

Those on the short list still need to trust and obey and surrender their lives and suffer persecution and death for their faith in Christ so it's not as though believers can just sit back and receive salvation on a silver plate.

I'm quoting Biblical truth, I know the vast majority hate Biblical truth because it's highly offensive to everyone except for true believers who love every word from cover to cover.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Those on the short list still need to trust and obey and surrender their lives and suffer persecution and death for their faith in Christ so it's not as though believers can just sit back and receive salvation on a silver plate.

I'm quoting Biblical truth, I know the vast majority hate Biblical truth because it's highly offensive to everyone except for true believers who love every word from cover to cover.

Wait a second. Why would any Christian believe the Bible literally? By doing so one calls God a liar.

Can someone call God a liar, even if they do not realize it, and be a "true believer"?

 

[Dragonslayer]

@Dragonslayer, I have a question for you: Since so many people deserve to die for their sins today, I'm wondering how many of those people God has told you to kill? (Now remember, I'm not talking about you murdering them; I'm talking about you killing them for Him.)

If He hasn't told you to kill any of them, why in the world hasn't He?
If He has told you to kill someone who needs to die at your hands, did you obey Him? Why or why not?

I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that God told me to kill anyone.
I quoted the Bible on the death penalty for certain sins or crimes as the legal system calls them.

You can refer to the old testament to see the list of sins which attract the death penalty. God has appointed our rulers to carry out these executions, He never instructed individuals to take the law into their own hands so it's ludicrous to suggest that God told me to kill someone.

Many countries have abolished the death penalty because their society has degenerated into total depravity to the point where they don't punish evil but they instead punish those who do good.

Every person in the whole world deserves the death penalty because we are all sinners but thank God He chose to save many by His grace, love and mercy. Lets not forget that He killed everyone on the planet bar 8 people with a flood. The world has become just as sinful today as it was when He wiped it out, so He is about to destroy it with fire this time.

Satan and His Demons have come into the world to deceive mankind into believing that he is fundamentally good, but the truth is we are fundamentally wicked. God had to come into the world and suffer on our behalf so that as many as believe in Him will be saved, because there was no way any sinner could pay for their own sins.

 

[Dragonslayer]

What country do you live in where child sacrifice is a real thing?

The Bible describes the killing of children by the parents as child sacrifice, they are actually sacrificing their children to Demons without even being aware of the fact.

It doesn't matter what country, culture or century it is done it. It's the same thing being done for the same reason.

The truth is a person becomes a human at the point of conception, God gives that person a soul at the point of conception. Scientists have seen the flash of light as the embryo is fertilized, so those who kill that light are guilty of murder and God will punish them severely for it.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Wait a second. Why would any Christian believe the Bible literally? By doing so one calls God a liar.

Can someone call God a liar, even if they do not realize it, and be a "true believer"?

True believers are the only one's who understand the Bible correctly, but I do understand that unbelievers interpret the Bible in a way that makes God a liar that makes perfect sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible describes the killing of children by the parents as child sacrifice, they are actually sacrificing their children to Demons without even being aware of the fact.

It doesn't matter what country, culture or century it is done it. It's the same thing being done for the same reason.

The truth is a person becomes a human at the point of conception, God gives that person a soul at the point of conception. Scientists have seen the flash of light as the embryo is fertilized, so those who kill that light are guilty of murder and God will punish them severely for it.

The Bible does not support that belief. And in fact priests in the Old Testament would perform chemical abortions at times.

 

[Subduction Zone]

True believers are the only one's who understand the Bible correctly, but I do understand that unbelievers interpret the Bible in a way that makes God a liar that makes perfect sense.

That is pure BS. I thought you wanted a meaningful conversation. And you have it backwards. The odds are that you call God a liar. Unbelievers do not make that error. Generally unbelievers understand the Bible better than believers.

 

[Katzpur]

I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that God told me to kill anyone.

I didn't. I asked you if God has told you to kill anyone. Remember, you did say: "Remember, God commands us to kill people for committing certain crimes. So it's logical to conclude that killing is good when it is done for the right reasons." Who has God commanded us to kill? And who is "us" if not you?

 

[Katzpur]

Those on the short list still need to trust and obey and surrender their lives and suffer persecution and death for their faith in Christ so it's not as though believers can just sit back and receive salvation on a silver plate.

So how did you come to conclude that you're on the short list and I'm not?

I'm quoting Biblical truth, I know the vast majority hate Biblical truth because it's highly offensive to everyone except for true believers who love every word from cover to cover.

I actually love biblical truth. Your interpretation of it... not so much.

 

[Dragonslayer]

The Bible does not support that belief. And in fact priests in the Old Testament would perform chemical abortions at times.

I have heard many sermons by Bible scholars on sermonaudio.com on this topic of abortion. I would encourage you to go to the website and select a sermon on the topic and listen to what the experts say.

There are too many false prophets in the world deceiving people and leading them into condemnation. The powers of darkness rule this fallen world system, God has given them limited power and a limited time to deceive unbelievers before He casts them and the unbelievers into the lake of fire.

Everyone will be judged by how they responded to Christ, those who believed Him will be saved and those who believed men will be condemned. Christ said "he who trusts in man is cursed" and "let every man be a liar and let God be true" so if anyone does or says something that is not what Jesus taught should be considered an anathema.

The wisdom of the world has it's own philosophy and it's pitted against the teaching of Christ, the world has been seduced by Satan and His Demons because they know how to appeal to mans fallen sinful nature. Men naturally reject Christ because they love their sin and He exposes their sin so they won't come to the light.

Nobody will get what they don't deserve, everyone will be judged fairly. Remember we sin against an infinitely holy and righteous God, so we will be judged by His standard and not our own perverted wicked standards. The Criminal court doesn't have a criminal passing sentences, it has a respectable judge.

 

[Dragonslayer]

That is pure BS. I thought you wanted a meaningful conversation. And you have it backwards. The odds are that you call God a liar. Unbelievers do not make that error. Generally unbelievers understand the Bible better than believers.

That is a perversion of what the Bible says about Scripture, the Bible says that the Word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing. The Holy Scriptures communicate a spiritual message, and the Bible says that spiritual things can only be discerned spiritually.

The Holy Scriptures were recorded for Gods elect only, it's Gods message to His people. they are deliberately written in such a way that only those who have the Holy Spirit indwelling them will be able to understand them. The rest will go to their graves never understanding them at all.

You have obviously been deceived by the powers of darkness, because no true believer would twist the truth 180 degrees as you have above.

 

[Dragonslayer]

I didn't. I asked you if God has told you to kill anyone. Remember, you did say: "Remember, God commands us to kill people for committing certain crimes. So it's logical to conclude that killing is good when it is done for the right reasons." Who has God commanded us to kill? And who is "us" if not you?

God gave the Holy Scriptures to His people, the true believers also known as the elect of God. So the us is referring to Gods people the elect of God, notice how the most powerful leaders in the world wrote their constitutions using the Bible as the rule of law.

I know the world is becoming more and more wicked everyday and wicked politicians are hell bent on abolishing our Biblical foundation and replacing it with Humanism which is just Satanism dressed up to look like it cares about human rights. So we are seeing the laws changed and the death penalty abolished in most Christian countries.

I vote for the conservative leader who uphold Biblical principals, but as the world becomes more and more wicked we see less and less justice being served on the wicked. We used to execute homosexuals and other abominable workers of iniquity, but now we see rebellion gaining ground so we know that Christ is about to return and cast all of them into hell where they will be tormented for ever and ever.

God and His people are not mocked, we know that every sin will be paid for so we rejoice in the fact that no sin will go unpunished and justice will be served on everyone. This life is very short so no matter how much wickedness we suffer now, it's nothing compared to eternity where we will enjoy eternal paradise and the unbelievers will be eternally tormented.

 

[Dragonslayer]

So how did you come to conclude that you're on the short list and I'm not?

I actually love biblical truth. Your interpretation of it... not so much.

Your accusation is unfounded, you need to provide something of substance when you accuse someone of giving a false interpretation. You need to show me what my error is, it's not good enough to throw a sweeping statement like that out without making a particular point.

It sound to me like you are disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreement, but you haven't made any valid point. If I disagree with you, I will show you your error and correct it if I have the facts but I won't just disagree with you and accuse you of making false claims without presenting the facts to back my claim.

 

[Dragonslayer]

So how did you come to conclude that you're on the short list and I'm not?

I actually love biblical truth. Your interpretation of it... not so much.

Sorry I didn't answer your first question.
I actually didn't say that you're not on the short list because only you and God know if you are. Nobody else can know for sure because some people only repent and become true believers on their death bed, so we can never really be 100% sure.

I can tell if someone is currently a true believer by their confession, if they confess that Christ is the truth and the only way to God and there's no other way and they confess that salvation is of the Lord and we can't do anything to earn it and it only comes by grace through faith in the finished work of the Lord on the cross.

If a person believes that Christ died and rose on the third day and ascended to heaven and He is physically there at the Fathers right side now and he is coming back to judge the living and raise the dead for the final judgement and all those who never knew Him as their savior will be cast into hell where they will be tormented forever.

If a person believes all of these things and lives according to Christ's teaching then we can be confident that they are true believers. A true believer bares the fruits of the Holy Spirit who indwells them and causes them to do works of love and charity and remains faithful onto death and never denies Christ even at the point to where it costs you your life to remain faithful.

A true believer is not just a confession and walking the isle, it's living as a prisoner of Christ and obeying Him no matter what the cost. Everyone's faith will be tested with fire, if your works are carnal they will burn up and you will have nothing left to inherit but if they are spiritual then you have an eternal reward that will never perish.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have heard many sermons by Bible scholars on sermonaudio.com on this topic of abortion. I would encourage you to go to the website and select a sermon on the topic and listen to what the experts say.

There are too many false prophets in the world deceiving people and leading them into condemnation. The powers of darkness rule this fallen world system, God has given them limited power and a limited time to deceive unbelievers before He casts them and the unbelievers into the lake of fire.

Everyone will be judged by how they responded to Christ, those who believed Him will be saved and those who believed men will be condemned. Christ said "he who trusts in man is cursed" and "let every man be a liar and let God be true" so if anyone does or says something that is not what Jesus taught should be considered an anathema.

The wisdom of the world has it's own philosophy and it's pitted against the teaching of Christ, the world has been seduced by Satan and His Demons because they know how to appeal to mans fallen sinful nature. Men naturally reject Christ because they love their sin and He exposes their sin so they won't come to the light.

Nobody will get what they don't deserve, everyone will be judged fairly. Remember we sin against an infinitely holy and righteous God, so we will be judged by His standard and not our own perverted wicked standards. The Criminal court doesn't have a criminal passing sentences, it has a respectable judge.

They would hardly be "expert" on the topic. One would be better off following the work of serious biblical scholars that did not let their prejudices affect their interpretations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is a perversion of what the Bible says about Scripture, the Bible says that the Word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing. The Holy Scriptures communicate a spiritual message, and the Bible says that spiritual things can only be discerned spiritually.

The Holy Scriptures were recorded for Gods elect only, it's Gods message to His people. they are deliberately written in such a way that only those who have the Holy Spirit indwelling them will be able to understand them. The rest will go to their graves never understanding them at all.

You have obviously been deceived by the powers of darkness, because no true believer would twist the truth 180 degrees as you have above.

No, that is only a self-serving interpretation of the Bible. But I am fairly sure that if someone claims that God is a liar that he cannot be interpreting the Bible correctly, right?

 

[Katzpur]

Your accusation is unfounded, you need to provide something of substance when you accuse someone of giving a false interpretation. You need to show me what my error is, it's not good enough to throw a sweeping statement like that out without making a particular point.

I wouldn't even know where to start, and I don't have enough years left in my life to cover it all.