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[Secret Chief]

Its voluntary, not mandatory.

It is. And it is helpful. And it followed from a staff consultation.

 

[We Never Know]

And, to repeat again, not everyone is called Sally or Mike. There are other names. Some of which one cannot "work out." What is the preferred pronoun of Sam? Or Chris? Or Phoenix? Or Kai? Or have a go at these:

Gender-neutral names

Are you saying by looking at a female named Sam, who is a transgender, you wouldn't regonize them as being a female unless they told you?

Which goes back to what I earlier said, if they look, live, act, etc the part,, pronouns shouldn't be a problem.

Then skip forward to the fully bearded transgender female I posted and there I can see where having to tell others what their preferred pronouns are would be needed

 

[Secret Chief]

Are you saying by looking at a female named Sam, that happens to be transgender, you wouldn't regonize them being a female unless they told you?

You're starting off with a presumption: "looking at a female" - so it's a loaded question.

I'm glad to see that younger people are generally more laidback and accepting of a world where everything doesn't have to be black or white. I work in a large school with nearly a thousand pupils. If one looks at the registers a lot of the names are gender neutral. Quite a few of the students present in such a way that imagining what their "correct" pronoun is may be a mistake. They're being true to themselves and I love that they feel able to.

 

[We Never Know]

You're starting off with a presumption: "looking at a female" - so it's a loaded question.

I'm glad to see that younger people are generally more laidback and accepting of a world where everything doesn't have to be black or white. I work in a large school with nearly a thousand pupils. If one looks at the registers a lot of the names are gender neutral. Quite a few of the students present in such a way that imagining what their "correct" pronoun is may be a mistake. They're being true to themselves and I love that they feel able to.

"You're starting off with a presumption: "looking at a female" - so it's a loaded question"

How the hell is that a loaded question? A female or transgender female is a female right?

 

[Secret Chief]

"You're starting off with a presumption: "looking at a female" - so it's a loaded question"

How the hell is that a loaded question? A female or transgender female is a female right?

In short your question is "If you are looking at a female can you tell they are a female?" If you don't like the term loaded try meaningless, pointless or irrelevant.

 

[We Never Know]

In short your question is "If you are looking at a female can you tell they are a female?" If you don't like the term loaded try meaningless, pointless or irrelevant.

Ok

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The next data point we have to work with is that we cannot call being trans a condition or a disorder or anything like that. That's a constraint the trans activists have placed on the conversation.

No, that's just your ignorance speaking.

So with those two ideas working together, the notion that a trans person is "in the wrong body" doesn't make any sense from a scientific perspective. That's why I suggested it could more aptly be described as a religious feeling.

Only because you don't really get what's going on or being said when it's said the brain if a trans person looks more like their identitified sex, amd instead of trying to understand it you try to play absurd "gotchas."
Seriously, you're like a YEC trying to argue against evolution.

 

[We Never Know]

In short your question is "If you are looking at a female can you tell they are a female?" If you don't like the term loaded try meaningless, pointless or irrelevant.

Try it like this then....

Both are transgender females. Which one would probably need to tell people what their preferred pronouns are?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've really have never gave it any thoughts until lately since it seems to have become a big deal.

Religious? lol. Not in the slightest but I forgot you all try to tie it to religion rather than politics.

The religious part was confusing you for another. The rest stands.

I've really have never gave it any thoughts until lately since it seems to have become a big deal.

It shows.

We were taking about names being on their name badges. If the name isn't on their name badges it defeats the purpose of the name badge.

So Robbi, Toni, Devon, Madison, Logan, are they boys or girls?

 

[We Never Know]

The religious part was confusing you for another. The rest stands.

It shows.

So Robbi, Toni, Devon, Madison, Logan, are they boys or girls?

Could you not figure that out by looking at the person wearing the name badge?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Could you not figure that out by looking at the person wearing the name badge?

There have been some people I have not been able to tell.

 

[We Never Know]

There have been some people I have not been able to tell.

Exactly!!

That's what I have been saying. If they don't look the part, they probably need to express to others their preferred pronouns.

If they look the part, what's the point of telling others my preferred pronouns are....

 

[fantome profane]

Are you saying by looking at a female named Sam, who is a transgender, you wouldn't regonize them as being a female unless they told you?

Have you never in your life been in a situation where you were uncertain of someone's gender? I have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly!!

That's what I have been saying. If they don't look the part, they probably need to express to others their preferred pronouns.

If they look the part, what's the point of telling others my preferred pronouns are....

Im talking about cispeople.

 

[We Never Know]

Have you never in your life been in a situation where you were uncertain of someone's gender? I have.

Sure. Also with the bearded transgender female I posted. As I said that person probably needs to tell others their preferred pronouns.

 

[Secret Chief]

Try it like this then....

Both are transgender females. Which one would probably need to tell people what their preferred pronouns are?

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For me, I would not want to presume. Books by covers and all that. I was recently presumed to be something that I am not. The presumer was mortified, since a person could have been offended by the error.
What would you imagine is Layton William's preferred pronoun? (the dancer on the right)...

 

[We Never Know]

Im talking about cispeople.

What are cis people? Oh there's that word that is hardly ever used being used.
When did they become the topic of discussion?

 

[We Never Know]

For me, I would not want to presume. Books by covers and all that. I was recently presumed to be something that I am not. The presumer was mortified, since a person could have been offended by the error.
What would you imagine is Layton William's preferred pronoun? (the dancer on the right)...
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Thats another story. By the way you forgot to answer the question.

 

[Secret Chief]

Thats another story. By the way you forgot to answer the question.

I answered. I speak for myself.

 

[icehorse]

Only because you don't really get what's going on or being said when it's said the brain if a trans person looks more like their identitified sex, amd instead of trying to understand it you try to play absurd "gotchas."
Seriously, you're like a YEC trying to argue against evolution.

What I keep hearing is that trans people feel like they're in the wrong body. Am I getting that wrong?

And I have also heard that it's wrong to call trans a condition or disorder. Am I getting that wrong?