Basis of Belief

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are rape victims traumatised? Is that just a matter of opinion, or is it supported by objective evidence?

Well, as far as I can tell that you understand it as bad, is a case of subjective empathy and a theory of mind.
Here is another definition of objective:
(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
From Oxford Languages via Google.

 

[Sheldon]

Well, as far as I can tell that you understand it as bad, is a case of subjective empathy and a theory of mind.
Here is another definition of objective:
(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
From Oxford Languages via Google.

You've ignored my question.

Are rape victims harmed and traumatised? Is that just a matter of subjective opinion, or is it supported by objective evidence?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You've ignored my question.

Are rape victims harmed and traumatised? Is that just a matter of subjective opinion, or is it supported by objective evidence?

It is a matter of subjective feeling as here:
Objective: (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

I don't deny that they are harmed and traumatised. I deny that is objective as per the definitions I have given.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't deny that they are harmed and traumatised. I deny that is objective as per the definitions I have given.

So you don't think the physical and lasting emotional trauma rape victims suffer is anything but subjective opinion? Really?

You have heard of PTSD right, do you think this is a subjective opinion or that there is objective evidence for it? Only a high percentage of rape victims develop PTSD, now do you think that's just an opinion, or do you think there is objective evidence for that?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So you don't think the physical and lasting emotional trauma rape victims suffer is anything but subjective opinion? Really?

You have heard of PTSD right, do you think this is a subjective opinion or that there is objective evidence for it? Only a high percentage of rape victims develop PTSD, now do you think that's just an opinion, or do you think there is objective evidence for that?

If something is a subjective feeling, it is not objective. It is that simple. Opinion is not the same as a feeling in all cases. I am not talking about opinions. I am talking about subjective feelings.

 

[AppieB]

Beneficial/detrimental are not objective. They are personal interpretations.

If you think we can’t objectively determine that chopping someones head off is detrimental to his/her well being, than I don’t know what you are talking about. It is as ridicuous as saying that we can’t objectively determine that a heart attack is detrimental to a persons health.

Instead of handing out disclaimers about what science can’t do, you should check out what science actually can do.

 

[Sheldon]

If something is a subjective feeling, it is not objective. It is that simple.

So you're saying rape victim trauma is just a subjective feeling? So you don't think rape trauma is objectively evidenced? A very high percentage of rape victims suffer from PTSD, do you think that is just an opinion?

 

[AppieB]

If something is a subjective feeling, it is not objective. It is that simple. Opinion is not the same as a feeling in all cases. I am not talking about opinions. I am talking about subjective feelings.

I addressed this earlier (which you totally ignored) with the example of coriander: to like or not to like coriander is a personal preference. It is not objective.
My girlfriend loves coriander. It is a fact (objectively true) that she likes coriander. You’re equivocating the subjective with the objective.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So you're saying rape victim trauma is just a subjective feeling? So you don't think rape trauma is objectively evidenced? A very high percentage of rape victims suffer from PTSD, do you think that is just an opinion?

No, it is a subjective emotion and psychological reaction. They should have treatment, help and support. But what is happening is not objective. It is subjective, but not an opinion.
Objective: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers; involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena.
Opinion: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Emotion: a strong feeling deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others.
Psychological: of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you think we can’t objectively determine that chopping someones head off is detrimental to his/her well being, than I don’t know what you are talking about. It is as ridicuous as saying that we can’t objectively determine that a heart attack is detrimental to a persons health.

Instead of handing out disclaimers about what science can’t do, you should check out what science actually can do.

detrimental: tending to cause harm
So harm is objective. What do you mean by objective?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I addressed this earlier (which you totally ignored) with the example of coriander: to like or not to like coriander is a personal preference. It is not objective.
My girlfriend loves coriander. It is a fact (objectively true) that she likes coriander. You’re equivocating the subjective with the objective.

Basis of Belief

 

[Sheldon]

No, it is a subjective emotion and psychological reaction. They should have treatment, help and support. But what is happening is not objective. It is subjective, but not an opinion.
Objective: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers; involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena.
Opinion: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Emotion: a strong feeling deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others.
Psychological: of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person.

There is objective evidence that acts like rape cause trauma, and the fact that a high percentage of victims register symptoms of PTSD is obviously objective evidence to support that. As AppieB has explained, if you can't see that acts like murder are objectively a detriment then I really don't know what to say.

 

[lukethethird]

Maybe it's because english is not my native language, but I think I'm pretty clear of what I'm trying to say. There is a difference between what you prefer as a person like human well being (subjective) and what we can say is beneficial/detrimental to that well being of that peson (objecitve: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions). Chopping a persons head of is clearly detrimental to that well being, whether that person prefers well being or not.

Well being is not objective, but the assessment whether it s beneficial/detrimental to that well being is.

Of course there are (trivial) differences what we personal prefer in life. I don't like coriander. Eating coriander would not enhance my well being, while my girlfriends loves it. She prefers coriander. It's a fact (objectively true) that she likes coriander.

I found coriander to be an acquired taste, just give it time and try again.

 

[rational experiences]

When a subject veers into topics using threats only proves the writer threatens by inference knowing already as the secretive forum user their belief is fake.

Why threat is used in most topics on the forum.

As the man theist used words first that threatened every natural existence.

As law holy by status self presence placed cold space zero as any natural bodies presence. Wherever it was or is. Had been or is now.

Consciousness said holy mother hence is as is. No argument.

Therefore thin king man's lying mind head. The king of crown of thorns irradiation inheritance....said.

This is the example. IE. JE. Sus king of kings.

Th isis...the example why mother holy zero notification supported man's life sacrifice.

As totally stated by his owned thinking head. Lost thin king to higher thin.King.
Mr greedy know it all rich man.

TH O TH numbers God of his evil Satan man beast mentality.

Hence no evil law existed. Evil law was sought by men. In life's presence human man.

Even today men theists ignore any body status currently viewed as cold space highest law owns its status anything.

To contemplate change hence is an evil pursuit. Seeing cold and colds pressure owns anything expressing itself.

Gods law said everything and anything. It was never nothing.

Why theists are life threatening theists who impose threats to life in topics as they are already lying.

Placing the threat in topic as their own purpose.

 

[Aupmanyav]

As I understand Buddha's teaching what matters is living a happy and noble life without harm and suffering. Reality of God(s), heaven, karma... are regarded irrelevant. No matter what is true it's still best to strive for noble life. It doesn't change anything.

Yeah, I agree with you on that. For you God, heaven may be a reality; it is not for me. It is not just irrelevant, but a lie.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is objective evidence that acts like rape cause trauma, and the fact that a high percentage of victims register symptoms of PTSD is obviously objective evidence to support that. As AppieB has explained, if you can't see that acts like murder are objectively a detriment then I really don't know what to say.

What does objective mean?

 

[AppieB]

Basis of Belief

How is this a proper response to my post?

 

[AppieB]

detrimental: tending to cause harm
So harm is objective. What do you mean by objective?

I'm happy to go with your definition: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions and expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.

Can you answer a few questions with these definitions in mind:
Is it objectively true that my girlfriend likes coriander?
Is medical science objective?
Can medical science say something objective about a persons health?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How is this a proper response to my post?

We have 3 variants. Objective fact, opinion and emotion. You removed emotion and treated opinion as totally equally to emotion.

So we understand differently. That is it. How you deal with that is something you do. And if I can deal with it differently, then I can do that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm happy to go with your definition: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions and expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.

Can you answer a few questions with these definitions in mind:
Is it objectively true that my girlfriend likes coriander?
Is medical science objective?
Can medical science say something objective about a persons health?

Now we are getting somewhere.
Here is a human being objective as this human describes something:
I saw a person kill another human. The reason that person had for doing that can be subjective, yet it can be stated as a fact. A person killed another human. Now we go even closer. Science has scanned the brains of humans thinking/feeling about moral choices. I.e. the scientists have look at several brains thinking/feeling about moral choices.
Now if a person is scanned and in her/his brain doing something involves feelings or opinions or is a case of personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations is that what goes on in the brain objective or subjective?
The scientists are objective, because they describe with is going on as per objective. But is what is going on in the brain objective or subjective?

I accept any answer that you might give and if we understand it differently, I will just state that we are using our individual brains differently and leave it as that.