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Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things...

sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Much of what scriptures say could NOT have been OBSERVED by man and written down.

For instance there was no one to write down the "6 day" creation of the earth.
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That's right. That's why they're stories and not "history."
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
sojourner said:
Stories circulated within 5-10 years of Jesus' crucifixion. Those stories remained oral until they were written down, probably beginning about 30 years following the crucifixion, and continuing until about 95 c.e. That doesn't constitute "hundreds of years." There is little evidence that their beliefs were "politically-charged," other than as anathema to oppression.
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Show us where this information comes from?

No, it isn't "heavily debated." John's was written around 100 c.e., not 200 c.e.Where are you getting this information?
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Really?

Most scholars agree on a range of 90–100 for when the gospel was written, though dates as early as the 60s or as late as the 140s have been advanced by a small number of scholars. The writings of Justin Martyr use language very similar to that found in the gospel of John, which would also support that the Gospel was in existence by at least the middle of the second century, and the Rylands Library Papyrus p.52, which records a fragment of this gospel, is usually dated to the first half of the second century.

The Dead Sea Scrolls have suggested an early Jewish origin, "The parallels and similarities to the Essene Scroll, Rule of the Community, in fact, are so numerous and conclusive that they seriously challenge the theory that the Gospel of John was the latest to be written and that it shows marked Greek influence." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#cite_note-Out_of_the_Desert-33

The traditional view is supported by reference to the statement of Clement of Alexandria that John wrote to supplement the accounts found in the other gospels. This would place the writing of John's gospel sufficiently after the writing of the synoptics.
 
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siddqqeeutube

Member
sojourner said:
jesus was begotten -- not made.
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begotten was excised by rsv bible's revisors from a.v...."yet when copies were few,learned men had in some instances changed the words,thinking that they were making it plain when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain,by causing it to lean to their established views,which were governed by tradition"..(mrs ellen g white) bible commentary vol.1 page 14
 
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siddqqeeutube

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jesus ate food,obviously he had to past motion.GOD passing motion? GOD squatting in the toilet while governing the universe?..How can we associate GOD with a human being..unbecoming of the majesty of God almighty
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
siddqqeeutube said:
begotten was excised by rsv bible's revisors from a.v...."yet when copies were few,learned men had in some instances changed the words,thinking that they were making it plain when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain,by causing it to lean to their established views,which were governed by tradition"..(mrs ellen g white) bible commentary vol.1 page 14
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Rubbish. Referring to "son" refers to begetting, not creating.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
siddqqeeutube said:
Jesus prayed to god.....one who prayed to god cannot be god...jesus dont know when the world end..impossible ,coz god is all knowing
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Of ccourse. Jesus was fully human as well as fully Divine. The Son prayed to the Father. Both are God. I don't see the problem here.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
siddqqeeutube said:
jesus ate food,obviously he had to past motion.GOD passing motion? GOD squatting in the toilet while governing the universe?..How can we associate GOD with a human being..unbecoming of the majesty of God almighty
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A fully human person would do those things. That's the key to the gospel message: That God became dirty -- poison -- for us, who can not purify ourselves. That's the whole point of the parable of the leaven.
 
FFH

FFH

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siddqqeeutube

Member
sojourner said:
a fully human person would do those things. That's the key to the gospel message: That god became dirty -- poison -- for us, who can not purify ourselves. That's the whole point of the parable of the leaven.
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exodus 20.3:4..."thou shall have no other gods b4 me ..4:thou shall not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above,or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth" .......jesus look,behave like man,contrdict the verse
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
siddqqeeutube said:
exodus 20.3:4..."thou shall have no other gods b4 me ..4:thou shall not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above,or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth" .......jesus look,behave like man,contrdict the verse
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"...Emmanuel: 'God With Us...'"
"...the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and lived among us..."
 
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