"Being Gay is a Gift from God"

[mohammed_beiruti]

Yes, the story is clear and it has nothing to do with condemning homosexuals.

well, let me be more sepecific, genesis 18 , God sent to angles to destroy sedomy, before they experience tier hospitality, right?

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Yeah because gay people are just like adulterers lol
and people who build little golden cows are just like adulterers
and people who post on forums are just like adulterers
and people who read the Qur'an are just like adulterers
:sarcastic
oh you feel insulted? maybe you should think about that next time before you go around insulting people.

you are insulting adulterers

 

[Luminous]

Sodom and Gomorah are CLEARLY about RAPE and INHOSPITALITY.
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorah was about SODOMY
male homosexuality is considered an abomination by Yaweh, because it leads to Sodomy.
Sodomy was Bad to Yaweh, because Sodomy lead to diseases.

 

[Luminous]

you are insulting adulterers

I don't think breaking contracts and promises deserves my respect, or holding of my tongue.

 

[Skwim]

Sodom and Gomorah are CLEARLY about RAPE and INHOSPITALITY.
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorah was about SODOMY
male homosexuality is considered an abomination by Yaweh, because it leads to Sodomy.
Sodomy was Bad to Yaweh, because Sodomy lead to diseases.

Unlike all the heterosexual sex that spreads VD.

 

[Cricket]

I haven't read all the replies, but I can only assume that while this church's efforts were wildly misguided, they were probably well-intended (IMHO). Sometimes, I tell my son (whether he really understands at his age is debatable, mind you...2.5), that his "passion" is a gift and not to waste it. Meaning, it could be a tantrum, or it could be him as an adult advocating for someone vulnerable, or really changing the world in some other way.

Not a direct comparison, clearly, but I can see what the poor bugger might have been thinking when they decided to post that ill-conceived billboard.

That said, I think any part of who we are is a gift, because it challenges us to rise to the occasion and change the world, or at least challenges us on a journey to accept ourselves and others. If one sees challenges as gifts, and removes the morality question from homosexuality entirely, then the billboard makes sense. However, it was a church that posted it, so my guess is, they were using the lens of morality, regardless of the side through which they were peering.

It was just a dumb idea.

JMHO.

With respect,

Cricket

 

[Luminous]

Unlike all the heterosexual sex that spreads VD.

I believe that to Yaweh, heterosexual sex would have been necessary to maintain worshipers. Disease leads to the death of worshipers, so Sodomy is an unnecessary risk to Yaweh's ego. To Yaweh, the way to stop VD was marriage, and penile cleanliness through circumsision. Most likely IMHO, Yaweh, after his fall from heaven, tries really hard to help us worship him... even as far as stripping himself of his name or changing it, so that people remain confused.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

I don't think breaking contracts and promises deserves my respect, or holding of my tongue.

I am not in position to insult neither adulterer or homosexual, i prefer to keep my conservation on that to my self.

I just want to understand the acceptance of what you called "abomination" by the church -the hospital of souls.

 

[Oneatatime]

Its good to see progressive religious morality. As for whether or not homosexuality is a gift from God I'm more inclined to believe its a combination of genetics and environment leading to the individuals being attracted to their own sex and that God isn't really involved. If saying that God sanctions it makes things better for homosexuals who are religious or just live in religious areas then it seems harmless enough.

 

[Neophyte]

"If you’ve driven down Monroe St. recently you may have stopped and did a double-take when you saw one message pop up on the electronic billboard. The message reads “Being Gay is a Gift from God.”

Dan Rutt of the Central United Methodist Church is one of the faces behind the new campaign.
Rutt says the church has been bombarded with phone calls and e-mails from the public.
. . . not everyone agrees with the eye popping approach to send the message. One person wrote "homosexuality is a sin - it's a curse not a gift. You are the one taking the scripture out of context …" Another said, "I am not against gays worshiping in our church, just against them holding leadership positions and teaching that being gay is okay with god.
Others sent messages of strong support. One e-mail read, “Mavel tov on your "Gay is a Gift from God" campaign!
source

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So, could this actually be true, that homosexuality is a gift from god bestowed on a fortunate few? That the rest of us have to wallow in mere heterosexuality and bisexuality? OR is this just another church promoting itself with bogus controversy?

If anything I think it would be a curse. I am not against those that are gay, but like for them can very difficult. It certainly is no gift. Just my opinion though.

 

[Luminous]

I am not in position to insult neither adulterer or homosexual, i prefer to keep my conservation on that to my self.

I just want to understand the acceptance of what you called "abomination" by the church -the hospital of souls.

someone who commits adultery is much much worse than someone that commits unprotected sodomy. I am in a very good position to insult anyone I like. I prefer to let people understand and fix themselves. The Church said being gay was a gift from God, because they agree with the school that suggests gays are good, common, and should not be oppressed. Anyway, I said that in Abrahamic tradition Sodomy was bad and lead to bad things. Sodom and Gamorah were famous for it, Yaweh didn't want his worshipers corrumpted. All of what i'm saying is metaphorical ofcourse. Yaweh doesn't necessarily have to be a real being.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

someone who commits adultery is much much worse than someone that commits unprotected sodomy. I am in a very good position to insult anyone I like. I prefer to let people understand and fix themselves. The Church said being gay was a gift from God, because they agree with the science that suggests gays are good, common, and should not be oppressed. Anyway, I said that in Abrahamic tradition Sodomy was bad and lead to bad things. Sodom and Gamorah were famous for it, Yaweh didn't want his worshipers corrumpted. All of what i'm saying is metaphorical ofcourse. Yaweh doesn't necessarily have to be a real being.

we can try to let people understand and fix themselves without insulting anyone.

well, discussing something metaphorical isn't scientifically fruitable.

someone has to be inspired like a poet to be able to discuss it.

 

[Luminous]

we can try to let people understand and fix themselves without insulting anyone.

well, discussing something metaphorical isn't scientifically fruitable.

someone has to be inspired like a poet to be able to discuss it.

did i say scientific? I meant scholarly. also forgive me for wishing to insult hypocrites, liers, and other destructive people. we are inspired by every breath we take.

 

[Skwim]

To Yaweh, heterosexual sex would have been necessary to maintain worshipers.

Crazy guy that Yaweh, needing worshipers. You'd think a god would be a complete and not be in need of anything.

Disease leads to the death of worshipers,

Just some diseases

so Sodomy is an unnecessary risk to Yaweh's ego.

I assume then that Yaweh feels it's alright to risk VD as long as sexual intercourse might give him another worshiper.

To Yaweh, the way to stop VD was marriage, and penile cleanliness through circumsision.

But isn't he wise enough to know, as we mere mortals do, that marriage has not and does not prevent people from having sex outside of marriage. And surely you must be aware that merely keeping the penis clean doesn't prevent all VD.

Yaweh, after his fall, tries really hard to help us worship him... even as far as stripping himself of his name or changing it, so that people remain confused.

Yeah, what is it with this unquenchable need to be worshiped and adored by others? People who have this need are often considered to have inferiority complexes or a lack of self-esteem.

 

[Witch9]

well, let me be more sepecific, genesis 18 , ...

Genesis 18 does not explicitly refer to homosexuality. Did you mean Genesis 19?

The interpretation of Genesis 19 as referring to homosexual sin appears to have been created in the 11th century by the Italian ascetic St. Peter Damian. Christian theologians generally accepted this explanation until recently.

Opinion among most liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish theologians has now reverted to the original Christian belief that Genesis 19 refers to a lack of charity and to ill treatment of strangers.

Consider these passages.

 

[sojourner]

for me, the message is clear through the story of lot.


on the other hand,we have commandments from the bible, one of them concerning adultery.

can we find a church considering adultery as something acceptable?

just wondering?!

I guess that would depend on one's definition of "adultery." Since the law was written for a particular people in a particular culture, I don't see how it could be expected to apply to everyone everywhere. Besides, homosexuality has nothing to do with Biblical adultery. You're trying to make Xy a religion wherein the Law is our salvation. it is not. It never has been. Why would we change that just because homosexuality is the prejudice du jour?

 

[sojourner]

well, let me be more sepecific, genesis 18 , God sent to angles to destroy sedomy, before they experience tier hospitality, right?

No, God was going to destroy Sodom for their woeful lack of hospitality. Let's look at the beginning of the episode, and you'll see the clue to the plot. The travelers come into town and are met by a visitor -- not by the town elders, whose custom it was to meet strangers at the gate of the city. Rape is the convenient conflation that the story needs to push its lesson on hospitality. If you don't know anything about Biblical exegesis, perhaps you should stick to the Koran... Just sayin'.

 

[sojourner]

someone who commits adultery is much much worse than someone that commits unprotected sodomy. I am in a very good position to insult anyone I like. I prefer to let people understand and fix themselves. The Church said being gay was a gift from God, because they agree with the school that suggests gays are good, common, and should not be oppressed. Anyway, I said that in Abrahamic tradition Sodomy was bad and lead to bad things. Sodom and Gamorah were famous for it, Yaweh didn't want his worshipers corrumpted. All of what i'm saying is metaphorical ofcourse. Yaweh doesn't necessarily have to be a real being.

Let's be real clear about this. The Bible story reflects the attitude of the writers -- not the attitude of God. I'm sure God has much more important matters than spying on people in their bedrooms to make sure Mr. Happy stays out of the wrong receptacle.

 

[Witch9]

"Mister Happy"??!

Are you referring to "Action" Jackson Happy? :biglaugh:

a.k.a. The Bald Avenger? :bonk:

The Big Banana?:danana:

Spurt Reynolds?? :run:

 

[Wombat]

"Mister Happy"??!

Are you referring to "Action" Jackson Happy?

a.k.a. The Bald Avenger? :bonk:

The Big Banana?:danana:

Spurt Reynolds?? :run:

As the discussion is so dragged-
"We are all in the gutter...but some of us are looking at the Stars" Oscar Wildwilly

Sylvester Stallion? :unicornHornyhorse)

Robert De Endowed? :badger:

Richards Gear? : hamster :

Gregory Pecker? :tsk:

:run: