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"Being Gay is a Gift from God"
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What a load of codswallop!
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (and Corinthians is in the new testament).
People are not born gay they become deceived and decide to be gay and the Bible firmly establishes the sinfulness of homosexuality, but it also provides a wide opportunity for repentance and redemption through Jesus Christ.
God does not hate homosexuals, but he does hate the act of homosexuality.
and therefore we (Christians) should follow his example, loving everyone, including homosexuals but hating sin (homosexuality).
I can't work out why a church would say that it's a gift, clearly they do not know the word of God. Or perhaps they did it to lure in the homosexuals and then offer them repentance and cleansing. Either way that church has a lot of explaining to do.
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (and Corinthians is in the new testament).
People are not born gay they become deceived and decide to be gay and the Bible firmly establishes the sinfulness of homosexuality, but it also provides a wide opportunity for repentance and redemption through Jesus Christ.
God does not hate homosexuals, but he does hate the act of homosexuality.
and therefore we (Christians) should follow his example, loving everyone, including homosexuals but hating sin (homosexuality).
I can't work out why a church would say that it's a gift, clearly they do not know the word of God. Or perhaps they did it to lure in the homosexuals and then offer them repentance and cleansing. Either way that church has a lot of explaining to do.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
There have also been a lot of topics on natural sin. Which imo includes the perversion of natural thought. Anyone that has a perverse train or thought isn't welcome into the kingdom of heaven and those that are free from perversion.
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Female prostitutes are welcomed everywhere.
Gloone
Well-Known Member
Only because there are no prophetesses.Female prostitutes are welcomed everywhere.
Skwim
Veteran Member
A Bible believer huh. Then you must support the slave-master relationship it endorses.
Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"
1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."
Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
So it's hate homosexuality and support slavery. "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"
1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."
Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
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well as i said before homosexuality is a sin from a christian point of view, so in short, a person might become confused (deceived by the devil) and think that they are attracted to the same sex, and a lot of the time homosexuals aren't accepted in churches (i don't condone this, i'm just saying it happens. i think everyone should be accepted and loved equally no matter their race, gender or sexual orientation. but that doesn't mean i accept sinful behavior). So if they are not accepted in churches then how are they to realize their confusion and seek redemption.*Anne* said:
So in a sense i guess that the sign could promote homosexuals attending church, but they are going about it the wrong way.
Gloone said:
romans 8:6 To focus our minds on the human nature leads to death, but to focus our minds on the Spirit leads to life and peace. from a christian point of view, when we commit our lives to Christ he gives us a new heart and a new nature and our old nature has been crucified with Christ . Jesus died for all our sins so that includes impure thoughts. Dave Gilpin's Mindmap explains that when new thoughts arrive in our mind from our powers of observation (including memory) and perception we are tempted to allow emotion, imagination, reason and instinct to carry these thoughts to strengthen our fallen mind. But the holy spirit encourages us to turn them into pleasing righteous thoughts, Philippians 4:8 And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. We do this through the power of the holy spirit with obedience to god, and with prayers of repentance.
So the devil plays with our brains?
Btw, do you think it is more accurate to say that a homosexual 'thinks' he/she is attracted to the same sex or that, due to the Devil's interference, actually becomes attracted to the same sex? It is my understanding that even if the feelings are due to trickery, they are very real and so I would not say that a homosexual 'thinks' he is attracted...etc.
What do you think?
Skwim said:A Bible believer huh. Then you must support the slave-master relationship it endorses.Titus 2:9So it's hate homosexuality and support slavery.
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"
1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble youalthough if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."
Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
This is a little off topic we were talking about homosexuality not slavery. And yes i do hate homosexuality (the act), but I respect and love the people themselves, however misguided they may be.
anyway lets look at these verses one by one:
Titus 2:9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them. How about we look at verse 10 too aye? Titus 2:10 or steal, but must show themselves to be entirely trustworthy and good. Then they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive in every way.
Christians are servants of the god almighty, these verses teaches us to not only respect and use proper conduct towards god but also our superiors eg: our teachers/professors, bosses, parents, elders, law enforcement etc.
1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
lets look at the next two verses of this one as well:
19 For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
this one has the same explanation as the one above, it teaches us to do what Jesus did. and i think you'll notice that it's generally good advice, have you noticed that generally if you are respectful of say a harsh teacher or boss, then they find find favor in you.
next we have Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
This one teaches us about character and doing the right thing even when no one is watching, i'm also going to add in verses 23,24,25 and the first verse of the 4th chapter:
23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.
4:1 Masters, treat your slaves justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.
do I really need to go on? perhaps if you were looking to gain something from reading the bible, instead of picking apart every little thing you don't understand maybe you would learn something.
just saying, food for thought.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Hey, you're the one who started quoting the bible to support your hatred of homosexuality. Nobody's picking apart anything, but instead pointing out that your MO, agreeing with the teaching and precepts of, at least, the New Testament, obviously includes your endorsement of slavery. That you choose to derive some sort of lesson from it is nice I guess, but hardly relevant to your support of slavery. And please, overstating a case, "picking apart every little thing" only makes you look desperate. And, of course, I did gain something from reading the Bible. I gained the knowledge that anyone who takes the NT at its word, in this case that one should hate homosexuality, would also support slavery. Not a pleasant discovery for sure, but not a surprising one either.
Wombat
Active Member
Welcome to the board....and...no....Don't come the raw prawn sunshine!
The Bible does not clearly "state that homosexuality is a sin"...there is a great deal of uncertainty and speculation as to what the Bible states in this regard-
"Unfortunately, the Greek original from which many English language Bibles have been translated, is ambiguous about two of the groups who are condemned.
The King James Version of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 as:
This verse has been translated in many ways among the 25 English versions of the Bible that we have analyzed. Unfortunately, many of the translations do not differentiate between:
Persons who are sexually attracted to others of the same-sex, but who are celibate and do not act on their desire, and||
Persons who are are sexually active and who act on their sexual attraction to others of the same sex.
HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS
Concludes- Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate:
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So please, we know it's hot in Queensland, but keep your hat on, stay cool...and reach for a good translation before a good prejudice.
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
It's like saying "Being you is a gift from god"
Skwim said:
i think you've completely missed the point of my MO, which was to illuminate the fact that homosexuality is NOT a gift from god and I backed this up with evidence from the bible. And at no point did i state that i support slavery. But obviously you don't like to hear what the bible has to say, but some times the true hurts and it's uncomfortable. Those scriptures are symbolic, you have to look for the meaning behind it, hence my 'nice' little lessons, that's like taking everything in revelation literally, for example they refer to Jesus as the Lamb of God, does this literally mean he's a lamb? it also talks about a dragon with seven heads and ten horns, do you really think that this was meant literally. part of reading the bible is discerning between the literal and the figurative. may i also remind you that it was William Wilberforce, a godly man, who abolished slavery, through the power of god.
you know how when your little and you parents have to discipline you for something, and at the time your upset and angry and you think they're big meanies, but that's not it at all is it, they do it because they love you, and they want you to know the right thing. well out of love, i want you to know the right thing. anyway it's a bit of food for thought, god bless.
Romans 1:26-27 (New Living Translation)wombat said:
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
no offense but I think I'm going to stick to what's in my bible, and that clearly states homosexuality is a sin. I think it's important to focus on what we can read in our bibles not what uncertain studies show.
Madhuri said:
yes it could more accurately be reworded as they become attracted to the same sex, either way they are deceived. the Devil sends things to tempt us, lead us astray and distract us from what's important, the Screwtape letter's by c.s lewis illustrate this perfectly, i highly recommend them, they're worth a read.