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Being jailed for having a miscarriage? Is society really that insane now?

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Traces of meth were found in the liver and brain of this woman’s unborn son.

Let’s not pretend it was the mere act of experiencing a miscarriage that had this woman jailed. It was her illicit drug use and the impact it may have had on her pregnancy.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes and no. She should be treated, but criminalized is a bit of a stretch.

I am somewhat sympathetic to your argument. However, the issue is that more often than not, the fetus survives through birth but has lasting neurological issues. How is one to deter that from happening when it is a preventable problem. You say these women should be treated, but when or how are they flagged to be treated?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Traces of meth were found in the liver and brain of this woman’s unborn son.

Let’s not pretend it was the mere act of experiencing a miscarriage that had this woman jailed. It was her illicit drug use and the impact it may have had on her pregnancy.
If that’s the case I would agree. Though maybe mental health treatment rather than jail


But I think the pertinent issue for the future is, at least in the US, if indeed abortion is overturned by the Supreme Court, such cases will likely arise as a result.
Because one way or the other it will happen. Illegality leads to desperate circumstances and often desperate people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If one is pregnant and chooses to carry the child to term, is there a responsibility of reasonable care for the growing fetus? Should there be consequences for drug or alcohol use that will have a direct impact on the resulting human being?
This is something I've addressed in years past on RF.
I argued that the mother has a legal responsibility to
conduct her life during pregnancy such that she doesn't
cause birth defects. I recall vigorous disagreement
about this, ie, the mother can do as she pleases, without
regard for the health of a baby later born.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I am somewhat sympathetic to your argument. However, the issue is that more often than not, the fetus survives through birth but has lasting neurological issues. How is one to deter that from happening when it is a preventable problem. You say these women should be treated, but when or how are they flagged to be treated?

Typically if a woman gives birth to a child that has symptoms of drug/alc, they go into immediate cps custody. The mom is requested to prove she is getting treatment to get her child back. That's what happened with my daughter when she was born to her junkie mom.

On a side note. Getting drunk or high repeatedly while pregnant. Is not illegal anywhere in the US (afaik).
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This is something I've addressed in years past on RF.
I argued that the mother has a legal responsibility to
conduct her life during pregnancy such that she doesn't
cause birth defects. I recall vigorous disagreement
about this, ie, the mother can do as she pleases, without
regard for the health of a baby later born.

Which is surprising since many of those same people would probably support the role of Child Protective Services when there is documented physical or emotional harm inflicted on a child.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Which is surprising since many of those same people would probably support the role of Child Protective Services when there is documented physical or emotional harm inflicted on a child.
For what it’s worth, I agree with Revolting’s stance and that CPS should intervene when documented harm is inflicted on the child.

If it’s unintentional (like they didn’t realise they were pregnant at that time) then that’s a “pass” imo.

Eek @Revoltingest I actually agreed with you!
Truly this is the darkest timeline :p;)
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
This is something I've addressed in years past on RF.
I argued that the mother has a legal responsibility to
conduct her life during pregnancy such that she doesn't
cause birth defects. I recall vigorous disagreement
about this, ie, the mother can do as she pleases, without
regard for the health of a baby later born.

To me that's a double edged sword.
Her body her choice comes to mind.
 
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