Being jailed for having a miscarriage? Is society really that insane now?

[We Never Know]

Even then it shouldn't be an issue. If it caused a miscarriage, there was never a child to begin with, because it was still dependent on someone else's body (fetus).

Technically thats true. A forced miscarriage due to drugs, etc is basically an abortion.

 

[The Hammer]

Technically thats true. A forced miscarriage due to drugs, etc is basically an abortion.

I know that many people disagree with this stance on moral or religious grounds and I'm understanding of that.

Don't like abortions, you don't need to get one. Kinda like gay marriage.

 

[MikeF]

To inflict a child with brain damage is OK with you?
How so?

No, it was a sarcastic comment about the law. Illegal to kill the fetus but no law against permanently damaging it if it survives to birth.

 

[We Never Know]

I know that many people disagree with this stance on moral or religious grounds and I'm understanding of that.

Don't like abortions, you don't need to get one. Kinda like gay marriage.

Going to a clinic having an abortion vs doing alcohol/drugs resulting in a miscarriage equals the same outcome.

 

[Revoltingest]

To me that's a double edged sword.
Her body her choice comes to mind.

But a child born later bears the
deleterious consequences of
her abusing her body, eg, drugs.
Do you believe she has the right to
impose birth defects upon her child?

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it was a sarcastic comment about the law. Illegal to kill the fetus but no law against permanently damaging it if it survives to birth.

I expect laws surrounding this
issue to evolve over time.

 

[We Never Know]

But a child born later bears the
deleterious consequences of
her abusing her body, eg, drugs.
Do you believe she has the right to
impose birth defects upon her child?

I agree. But she also has the right to abort it or birth it.
A potential human is not a human right,,,,?

After birth, if it has problems because of her lifestyle, she should he charged with neglect, abuse and endangerment of a child.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This is something I've addressed in years past on RF.
I argued that the mother has a legal responsibility to
conduct her life during pregnancy such that she doesn't
cause birth defects. I recall vigorous disagreement
about this, ie, the mother can do as she pleases, without
regard for the health of a baby later born.

This does strike me as another instance of people demanding their rights, but doing so without taking responsibility or considering they have any. It has wider implications than just pregnancy and equally wide impact on society in those other areas.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. But she also has the right to abort it or birth it.
A potential human is not a human right,,,,?

I see no inconsistency with....
1) The right to abort a fetus before some reasonable
point in time during gestation.
2) The right of a mother to carry a fetus to term, ie,
if someone else damages or kills the fetus, this is a
crime, & the mother is entitled to compensation for
her loss of the fetus that she'd have brought to term.
3) Legal prohibition of a mother causing in utero damage
to a fetus that is carried to term, & becomes a child.

 

[We Never Know]

I see no inconsistency with....
1) The right to abort a fetus before some reasonable
point in time during gestation.
2) The prohibition of a mother causing in utero damage
to a fetus that is carried to term, & becomes a child.

I edited my post

 

[Revoltingest]

I edited my post

I edited mine by adding to it.

 

[The Hammer]

Do you believe she has the right to
impose birth defects upon her child?

If we allow circumcision, and other non medical necessary procedures (piercings) on infants I don't see why not, legally.

 

[We Never Know]

I see no inconsistency with....
1) The right to abort a fetus before some reasonable
point in time during gestation.
2) The right of a mother to carry a fetus to term, ie,
if someone else damages or kills the fetus, this is a
crime, & the mother is entitled to compensation for
her loss of the fetus that she'd have brought to term.
3) Legal prohibition of a mother causing in utero damage
to a fetus that is carried to term, & becomes a child.

What if she said "I didn't want the baby but couldn't get and abortion(for whatever reason), so i did this(drugs/alcohol) to have a miscarriage.

Is she right or wrong?

 

[We Never Know]

I see no inconsistency with....
1) The right to abort a fetus before some reasonable
point in time during gestation.
2) The right of a mother to carry a fetus to term, ie,
if someone else damages or kills the fetus, this is a
crime, & the mother is entitled to compensation for
her loss of the fetus that she'd have brought to term.
3) Legal prohibition of a mother causing in utero damage
to a fetus that is carried to term, & becomes a child.

I fail to see where you addressed my edit of...
"After birth, if it has problems because of her lifestyle, she should be charged with neglect, abuse and endangerment of a child."

 

[Revoltingest]

What if she said "I didn't want the baby but couldn't get and abortion(for whatever reason), so i did this(drugs/alcohol) to have a miscarriage.

Is she right or wrong?

Attempts at abortion that would be ineffective,
but would result in a baby with birth defects
should be prohibited.

 

[Revoltingest]

"After birth, if it has problems because of her lifestyle, she should be charged with neglect, abuse and endangerment of a child."

That would be reasonable.

 

[Revoltingest]

This does strike me as another instance of people demanding their rights, but doing so without taking responsibility or considering they have any. It has wider implications than just pregnancy and equally wide impact on society in those other areas.

It's analogous to the right to bear arms...in that
I say this carries the obligation to be trained in
their proper use, & to store them securely.

 

[We Never Know]

Attempts at abortion that would be ineffective,
but would result in a baby with birth defects
should be prohibited.

How would she know what attempts at a miscarriage would be ineffective or effective.

Several attempts may be tried before she is successful or unsuccessful.

Staying with the OP, for "having a miscarriage" meaning she caused the miscarriage.

If no miscarriage then after the birth, if it has problems because of her lifestyle, she should he charged with neglect, abuse and endangerment of a child.

 

[We Never Know]

I'm going to say it again....

The father had a choice in the sex and a father should have a choice in the abortion. He may want to raise the child and be a great father. She could be the surrogate mother and released of all responsibility after birth. Maybe even compensated.

 

[MikeF]

I'm going to say it again....

The father had a choice in the sex and a father should have a choice in the abortion. He may want to raise the child and be a great father. She could be the surrogate mother and released of all responsibility after birth. Maybe even compensated.

Um... no. If the woman wants to take the morning-after pill to avoid an unfortunate outcome with a hook-up, she should have the right to and not have to bear the child at his insistence. Let him get a willing partner pregnant.