Being religious in Judaism

[metis]

Like walking in the rain instead of driving on Sabbath.

What's wrong with that? I actually do it quite often when doing my daily walk, but that's probably because I'm not smart enough to come out of it. Here in da U.P., the only reason not to walk outside is if you can't see over the snow. Then we tunnel.

 

[roger1440]

Like walking in the rain instead of driving on Sabbath.

I haven't driven a car in over 20 years. I wish I had your problem.

 

[Leo613]

Because if you actually did go, then you must have learned what they were teaching, so why are you asking us if you already know?
If you didn't learn what they were teaching, why are you making threads about what you were taught?

Because its not clear to me

 

[Leo613]

So if I tell someone "flipping the light on or off is against the rules" and then he does, there are too many outside influences to hold someone responsible for that behavior?

Everyone does something on purpose which is wrong no one is perfect. Does that mean no one can be a witness?

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Everyone does something on purpose which is wrong no one is perfect. Does that mean no one can be a witness?

Leo you are totally incorrect. 'on purpose' suggests the person is intent on breaking rules ...
this is just not truth. many of us make great effort to abide by Mitzvah ..

"Perfect" lol who attempts to be ??

 

[Flankerl]

Like walking in the rain instead of driving on Sabbath.

There are these things called "Umbrellas" or Raincoats. Generally very useful.



PS: If you (not you Leo) belong to the "its not okay to open or close one on Shabbat, leave it open. If someone berates you on exactly that while you hold the umbrella hit him/her with the umbrella till he/she goes away. If he/she brings up marit ayin hit harder.
Bonus points for hitting the neighbour you don't like less than everyone else. Its basically a positive Mitzvah!
Its not your fault if they aren't smart enough.

 

[rosends]

Everyone does something on purpose which is wrong no one is perfect. Does that mean no one can be a witness?

Everyone purposefully and publicly desecrates the sabbath? Not in my experience. You seem to be surrounded by very different people.

 

[Leo613]

Everyone purposefully and publicly desecrates the sabbath? Not in my experience. You seem to be surrounded by very different people.

Everyone talks business on Sabbath.....

 

[rosends]

Everyone talks business on Sabbath.....

Really? As I don't work in the business world and know very little about it, I can't confirm this. I spend plenty of time around other people who don't talk business also. And even the idea of talking about secular subjects which might go against a "spirit" of the sabbath is not a desecration of the sabbath. You should look up the M"B 307:1:5

 

[Tumah]

Everyone talks business on Sabbath.....

Not only should you look up the Mishna Berurah where rosends sent you. How can you even compare turning on a light which is a Biblical prohibition of eish or boneh to a Rabbinical prohibition that doesn't always apply? No one expects anyone to be perfect, but you want to transgress Biblical prohibitions because you know someone who talks business on Shabbos - which is permitted in some cases?

 

[Leo613]

Really? As I don't work in the business world and know very little about it, I can't confirm this. I spend plenty of time around other people who don't talk business also. And even the idea of talking about secular subjects which might go against a "spirit" of the sabbath is not a desecration of the sabbath. You should look up the M"B 307:1:5

Are you saying most Jews can't be witness

 

[rosends]

Are you saying most Jews can't be witness

Why don't you read what I referred you to instead of guessing at things.

 

[Flankerl]

But where's the fun with that?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

What I have noticed about the majority of Jews I have come across or seen in the media (minus the Hasedics of course) is that, from a simply religious/spiritual perspective, they just do not practice their faith. Their diet, life style etc is all anti-judaism and yet they would scream and shout in favour of Israel. So, is Israel more important than the overall religion? I.e., political identity more important than faith?

 

[Leo613]

What I have noticed about the majority of Jews I have come across or seen in the media (minus the Hasedics of course) is that, from a simply religious/spiritual perspective, they just do not practice their faith. Their diet, life style etc is all anti-judaism and yet they would scream and shout in favour of Israel. So, is Israel more important than the overall religion? I.e., political identity more important than faith?

To me, yes

 

[Shaul]

What I have noticed about the majority of Jews I have come across or seen in the media (minus the Hasedics of course) is that, from a simply religious/spiritual perspective, they just do not practice their faith. Their diet, life style etc is all anti-judaism and yet they would scream and shout in favour of Israel. So, is Israel more important than the overall religion? I.e., political identity more important than faith?

Shall we compare that to how the majority of Muslim come across or are portrayed by the media? Or are you saying the former portrayal is accurate but the latter is not?