Belief is blah!

[Anti-World]

Belief
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

Blah
1.nonsense; rubbish: What they say is blah.

Belief has absolutely no scientific backing or evidence to suggest it's actual relevance in deciding anything. It's completely fabricated and arbitrary evidence to back theories and ideas that, although may seem great by themselves, are only social ideas and aren't solid laws.

What's the point in believing tomarrow will come? Either it will or it wont. You're belief that it will happen has no effect on whether it will or not.

What's the point in believing in God?
If he's there than those social ideas that you probably would have practiced anyway will be rewarded. If not, then you're the better person.

Why base you're life on belief? Think about every time you state, "I believe..." and you'll find you have no scientific reason to believe in it and if there is then why are you stating it as a belief?

I don't understand the world.

 

[lunamoth]

I use the word belief when I'm talking about lots of things, including religion, but I think a better word to use when it comes to my faith (and some others things) is "trust" and in some cases "I give my heart to."

I can put my trust in something...if that trust is betrayed (however I perceive that) it then becomes very hard to go back to that trust/belief. Likewise when we start to equate belief in a religion with literal-factual scientific knowledge. When we do that and then we discover something, like that the earth is not flat or that the earth is not the center of the universe, we may no longer trust our religion because we've approached it in an inappropriate way to begin with. And if we equate our faith with how other people in our religion behave, or how our religious leaders behave, when those people disappoint us we might lose trust.

But, I can put my trust, belief, in the idea that God is love, and I can put my trust in the two greatest commandments to love God and each other.

2 c,
luna

 

[michel]

Why base you're life on belief? Think about every time you state, "I believe..." and you'll find you have no scientific reason to believe in it and if there is then why are you stating it as a belief?

I don't understand the world.

I believe that my two sons are well and happy; however, I am not in touch with them at this exact moment, so I can't verify that. I believe that my wife loves me, and I believe that I love her.

I can't prove any of the above (except maybe by phoning my sons).

I also believe in God - and I need no proof that he is there, because I have faith that he is (which is actually something that he asks of us)

 

[love]

I think science only confirms my belief in God. If you choose to ignore all that surrounds you that is your choice. You may think me shallow minded and superstitous, but it gives me comfort to know there is order to the universe and tomorrow will probably come.

 

[Hema]

Belief
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

Blah
1.nonsense; rubbish: What they say is blah.

Belief has absolutely no scientific backing or evidence to suggest it's actual relevance in deciding anything. It's completely fabricated and arbitrary evidence to back theories and ideas that, although may seem great by themselves, are only social ideas and aren't solid laws.

What's the point in believing tomarrow will come? Either it will or it wont. You're belief that it will happen has no effect on whether it will or not.

What's the point in believing in God?
If he's there than those social ideas that you probably would have practiced anyway will be rewarded. If not, then you're the better person.

Why base you're life on belief? Think about every time you state, "I believe..." and you'll find you have no scientific reason to believe in it and if there is then why are you stating it as a belief?

I don't understand the world.

These are also beliefs.

 

[BruceDLimber]

... you have no scientific reason to believe in it

What you overlook, of course, is that science doesn't (and indeed, can't) address everything!

Religion is simply one of those domains that science isn't competent to address, so demanding "scientific reasons" is a contradiction in terms.

That's why religions are called "faiths."

Peace,

Bruce

 

[ChristineES]

I could ask you the same question: What is the point in not believing in God. As you have already noticed in this thread, no one needs the proof you seem to need.

I have other beliefs as well:
I believe that all people deserve respect as humans.
I believe the sun will rise every day.
I believe that the earth is round, I have only seen pictures from space and have not experienced this myself.
I believe that we are made up of atoms, although I have never actually seen an atom.
I believe that everyone, including atheists, have a right to their opinion.

God bless you.

 

[Hema]

What you overlook, of course, is that science doesn't (and indeed, can't) address everything!

Religion is simply one of those domains that science isn't competent to address, so demanding "scientific reasons" is a contradiction in terms.

That's why religions are called "faiths."

Peace,

Bruce

True that. For example why did the big bang happen in the first place? Whatever exists in the material world has a beginning and an end, therefore how did the first material form come into existance? It had to come from something that is not bound by the laws of the physical universe.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Belief
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

Blah
1.nonsense; rubbish: What they say is blah.

Belief has absolutely no scientific backing or evidence to suggest it's actual relevance in deciding anything. It's completely fabricated and arbitrary evidence to back theories and ideas that, although may seem great by themselves, are only social ideas and aren't solid laws.

What's the point in believing tomarrow will come? Either it will or it wont. You're belief that it will happen has no effect on whether it will or not.

What's the point in believing in God?
If he's there than those social ideas that you probably would have practiced anyway will be rewarded. If not, then you're the better person.

Why base you're life on belief? Think about every time you state, "I believe..." and you'll find you have no scientific reason to believe in it and if there is then why are you stating it as a belief?

I don't understand the world.

Everything we hold to be true is a belief that it is true. Even the most well-researched scientific fact. Facts are symbols created by our limited senses, and colored by our experience. Nothing we know is the true reality, because it is a symbolic interpretation by a limited brain.

So how is "God" the symbol any different from "round earth" the symbol?

 

[UnTheist]

Nothing we know is the true reality, because it is a symbolic interpretation by a limited brain.

In that case, 'true reality' simply does not exist.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

In that case, 'true reality' simply does not exist.

I would agree with you, since I am of the belief that reality needs an observer (anything that recieves stimulus). If there are no observers, there is no reality.

But, that simply makes "true" reality a subjective experience. It is likely that there is an objective reality from which we are recieving stimuli in order to create our symbols.

 

[Anti-World]

"But, I can put my trust, belief, in the idea that God is love, and I can put my trust in the two greatest commandments to love God and each other."

You can put trust in trust? Well, God hate's me but I follow most of what the bible teaches anyway.

"I think science only confirms my belief in God. If you choose to ignore all that surrounds you that is your choice. You may think me shallow minded and superstitous, but it gives me comfort to know there is order to the universe and tomorrow will probably come."

And I love that about you but it doesn't bring me any closer to belief. For instance, I know that people who trust (Another less commonly used word for the word belief but still there.) are much more comfortable people to be with. Don't think just because I called myself "Anti-World" I have closed my eyes to the world.

"In that case, 'true reality' simply does not exist."

There's only one truth: That there is no truth but this truth.


That's all fine and dandy. Trust isn't the thing I have a problem with. It's knowing, unerringly, that certain things in are life are wrong and some are right based solely on belief.

For instance, I believe homosexuality is wrong. Why? There really isn't much of a reason. I think it's icky. I think it's icky like child pornography, zoophials, or necrophiliacs. I know that I should accept all of them (Except child pornography because it's damaging on several different levels.) but I can't bring myself to do it. So I make the arbitrary fabricated moral law, "Sex is only moral when reproduction is the goal." However, I know that that's a belief, it's one I hold. It's not a trust. I know that I can't condemn people for doing something that I think is icky I just choose not to be around them or support it in any way, that's my choice.

The problem I have it this: How is it that so much of religion is based on belief like I described in the previous paragraph? It's arbitrary, vague, and fabricated.

I hope you all understand what I'm saying a little better now.

 

[UnTheist]

"In that case, 'true reality' simply does not exist."

There's only one truth: That there is no truth but this truth.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. What is 'This' truth?

 

[Stairs In My House]

I have this strange urge to rip off a prosthetic arm with a bunch of fake blood squirting out and shout, "That's why we don't use the dictionary to try to understand the world!"

 

[Anti-World]

"What is 'This' truth?"

"There's only one truth: That there is no truth but this truth"
The statement in quotes is the only true statement.

"I have this strange urge to rip off a prosthetic arm with a bunch of fake blood squirting out and shout, 'That's why we don't use the dictionary to try to understand the world!'"

Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I don't get it.

 

[cardero]

"What is 'This' truth?"

"There's only one truth: That there is no truth but this truth"
The statement in quotes is the only true statement.

"I have this strange urge to rip off a prosthetic arm with a bunch of fake blood squirting out and shout, 'That's why we don't use the dictionary to try to understand the world!'"

Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I don't get it.

The best thing to remember is that Truth, Belief and Faith are three entirely different concepts. Beliefs are not blah, they are free, they're fun to collect, to be reasoned and to share with others.

 

[Stairs In My House]

Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I don't get it.

The arm thing is a gratuitous Arrested Development joke. I keep forgetting that most people have never watched that show.

The thing about the dictionary is to point out that you are creating a logic problem from limited, artificial definitions, rather than looking at the world and trying to understand what people are actually doing.

 

[michel]

Well, God hate's me but I follow most of what the bible teaches anyway.

What on Earth makes you think that ?

 

[porkchop]

Belief
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

Blah
1.nonsense; rubbish: What they say is blah.

Belief has absolutely no scientific backing or evidence to suggest it's actual relevance in deciding anything. It's completely fabricated and arbitrary evidence to back theories and ideas that, although may seem great by themselves, are only social ideas and aren't solid laws.

What's the point in believing tomarrow will come? Either it will or it wont. You're belief that it will happen has no effect on whether it will or not.

What's the point in believing in God?
If he's there than those social ideas that you probably would have practiced anyway will be rewarded. If not, then you're the better person.

Why base you're life on belief? Think about every time you state, "I believe..." and you'll find you have no scientific reason to believe in it and if there is then why are you stating it as a belief?

I don't understand the world.

Ah, another thread from mr. anti world.

I use the statement " I believe..." on places like this cause if you say " i know..." you get moaned at, like i have in the past. I would say i know and i believe about my faith. Not that this will be of much interest to you, i suppose, just felt like getting in on the thread!:woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[Papersock]

I can use the word 'believe' for something I have plenty of evidence for.

Faith, on the other hand, is something different.