Belief is Irrelevant

[osgart]

what about believing in yourself? or do most people just go about doing, without belief in self.

perhaps belief is a romantic notion. personally I think belief can be a useful tool if founded in reality, we test forward to prove or disprove the belief.

belief is something we all have, so it is relevant.
belief best belongs in the realm of hypothesis.

 

[Thief]

digressing......if belief can manifest

then thousands can be fed at a moments notice
bad storms can be made to dissipate.
the blind will see and the lame will walk

maybe there are no true believers?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

and many beliefs have no tangible ...anything

all you can do is think about it

but if your belief can manifest......
then God can be real

Perhaps you grossly misunderstood.

When the mind manifests something that is not real but based solely upon belief, we generally call that a "delusion".

Barkowitz believed he was talking to a messenger that so happened to be his dog. People see things that only THEY can see all the time. Child molesters often believe they share a "special" relationship with their victim. Bigfoot Hunters and believers are the only ones who ever encounter Harry. Lovestruck teenagers often see a friendly wave from the object of their affection as the affection being returned. People in seances usually hear what they want to hear.

This is why it is important to test your perceptions wit objective reality; you kinda skipped that part when you rushed ahead with your comment.

 

[Thief]

Perhaps you grossly misunderstood.

When the mind manifests something that is not real but based solely upon belief, we generally call that a "delusion".

Barkowitz believed he was talking to a messenger that so happened to be his dog. People see things that only THEY can see all the time. Child molesters often believe they share a "special" relationship with their victim. Bigfoot Hunters and believers are the only ones who ever encounter Harry. Lovestruck teenagers often see a friendly wave from the object of their affection as the affection being returned. People in seances usually hear what they want to hear.

This is why it is important to test your perceptions wit objective reality; you kinda skipped that part when you rushed ahead with your comment.

some people can't tell the difference.....granted

there are billions of believers
all are delusional?

but for this thread......reason might be enough to support belief
(hence a forum)

 

[Thief]

what about believing in yourself? or do most people just go about doing, without belief in self.

perhaps belief is a romantic notion. personally I think belief can be a useful tool if founded in reality, we test forward to prove or disprove the belief.

belief is something we all have, so it is relevant.
belief best belongs in the realm of hypothesis.

are you real?.....or just a theory?

 

[osgart]

are you real?.....or just a theory?

I am synthetic

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

some people can't tell the difference.....granted

there are billions of believers
all are delusional?

but for this thread......reason might be enough to support belief
(hence a forum)

The Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic

The Mad Gasser of Mattoon

The Monkey Man of New Delhi

War of the Worlds

"Black Peril", "Yellow Peril" and all forms of extreme xenophobia through the ages

the Great Fear (la Grande Peur)

Kissing Bug scare

the Coke Scare Of 1999

 

[arthra]

I suppose your pending post should define what belief is
and then declare it be important
or not

If you believe something to be true and you've either experienced that truth or seen how effective it can be in your community you will act on it and support it.

 

[Thief]

The Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic

The Mad Gasser of Mattoon

The Monkey Man of New Delhi

War of the Worlds

"Black Peril", "Yellow Peril" and all forms of extreme xenophobia through the ages

the Great Fear (la Grande Peur)

Kissing Bug scare

the Coke Scare Of 1999

you forgot ....Sasquatch
and Nessie

 

[Thief]

so here we are in a religious forum.....

and belief is not relevant?

 

[Sunstone]

Beliefs are the low nutrition, junk food of spirituality. They're like a diet of potato chips and corn curls. Tasty, fattening, and malnourishing. They fatten up the ego and place you at risk for spiritual diseases. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Kapalika]

Beliefs are the low nutrition, junk food of spirituality. They're like a diet of potato chips and corn curls. Tasty, fattening, and malnourishing. They fatten up the ego and place you at risk for spiritual diseases.

That's just your belief about belief.

So ya, it's junk food too.

 

[Thief]

Beliefs are the low nutrition, junk food of spirituality. They're like a diet of potato chips and corn curls. Tasty, fattening, and malnourishing. They fatten up the ego and place you at risk for spiritual diseases.

oh....so you DO believe in spirit?

 

[Sunstone]

oh....so you DO believe in spirit?

To me, a person's spirituality is the manner and extent to which they deal with, manage, or cope with their ego.

 

[Thief]

To me, a person's spirituality is the manner and extent to which they deal with, manage, or cope with their ego.

so belief .....as a collection of ideas held as true

are little more than personal comforts formed of imagination

that would be your view?

 

[Sunstone]

so belief .....as a collection of ideas held as true

are little more than personal comforts formed of imagination

that would be your view?

Not at all. Beliefs are -- at best (that is, when true) -- like maps. Like maps, they are not the reality, but rather a symbolism of the reality. Like maps, they are not the terrain they refer to. What people commonly do -- and I see this happening everyday -- is they confuse the map for the terrain, the belief for the reality. So, for instance, they think they are saved when all they are is a person who holds a belief about being saved. That is no less misguided, in my opinion, than looking at a map of a mountain trail and thinking that because you have studied that map, you have actually hiked the trail. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[Thief]

Not at all. Beliefs are -- at best (that is, when true) -- like maps. Like maps, they are not the reality, but rather a symbolism of the reality. Like maps, they are not the terrain they refer to. What people commonly do -- and I see this happening everyday -- is they confuse the map for the terrain, the belief for the reality. So, for instance, they think they are saved when all they are is a person who holds a belief about being saved. That is no less misguided, in my opinion, than looking at a map of a mountain trail and thinking that because you have studied that map, you have actually hiked the trail. At least, that's how I see it.

that seems a bit of a stretch to me....

the map (if accurate) DOES represent reality
and is a written description of the journey

holy scripture is the same
that many people have different readings, understandings
that many people cannot agree which path is sure

doesn't mean the destination isn't there

 

[Sunstone]

that seems a bit of a stretch to me....

the map (if accurate) DOES represent reality
and is a written description of the journey

holy scripture is the same
that many people have different readings, understandings
that many people cannot agree which path is sure

doesn't mean the destination isn't there

You've missed the point. But this RF, so that should not surprise anyone.

 

[Thief]

You've missed the point. But this RF, so that should not surprise anyone.

i got the point.....it was not on 'point'

I don't base my belief on scripture or congregational rants

I strongly suspect my belief to be right on target

that you prefer to not have a target
doesn't mean mine doesn't exist

 

[Sunstone]

i got the point.....it was not on 'point'

I don't base my belief on scripture or congregational rants

I strongly suspect my belief to be right on target

that you prefer to not have a target
doesn't mean mine doesn't exist

No, in fact, you did NOT get the point. You are quite mistaken to think that I believe beliefs cannot be true, which is what --- if you will think about it --- would be the consequence of thinking "the destination isn't there", or thinking beliefs "cannot be on target". Do you understand now?