I have had relationships with many Gods.
What to you proves the existence of your God?
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Belief vs Know
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I have had relationships with many Gods.
What to you proves the existence of your God?
firedragon
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Thats an oxymoron. Some people believe in things they know.
E.g. When you throw something up in the air, you see it falling down every time. Thus, we assume it will fall down the next time too. Thats a belief. And that's an assumption based on knowing what has happened in the past. Thats how science works as well.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Answers to prayer, experiences of his presence, amazing " coincidences", even some dreams.
And his work in others that believe in him.
syo
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I believe the op is smart dilemmaI believe this conversation is nonsense.
RestlessSoul
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The verses referred to in the OP each appear to describe revelatory spiritual experiences. Knowledge of God’s presence dispels any need for a leap of faith; in those circumstances, little effort is required to believe.
But such experiences are rare, and may perhaps be denied, or dismissed as madness, even by the doubting mind of the person who experiences them. So in the end there is always some requirement for belief, and for faith.
But such experiences are rare, and may perhaps be denied, or dismissed as madness, even by the doubting mind of the person who experiences them. So in the end there is always some requirement for belief, and for faith.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Each in its season...if something can be established then it is reliable knowledge. But life brings with it many creative and unexpected scenarios for which we often have to rely on our beliefs in order to navigate.
Well, in philosophy knowledge is called "justified true belief", which is a phrase I personally don't like, but there it is.
Belief itself has a huge range. It can include belief in ideas that are contrary to fact, thus irrational, so impossible, into the improbable range, through a range where belief is based on varying degrees of evidence. So belief can be highly probable, but not conclusive. For example we cannot say we know OJ did it, but the evidence is so overwhelming that our belief is well justified and his guilt is highly likely.
As far as knowledge in science there is a probability in results, and they seldom come out to be 100%. So this knowledge it highly likely true, thus justified belief. Now we can be certain about many things. We are certain that the poisons chlorine and sodium will become harmless table salt when combined.
So really belief versus knowledge is a misleading and vague question.
Some theists claim they know God exists, and this always opens to door to an interesting set of questions.
So things your mind can fool itself about, nothing objective.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
I would tend to agree...
But then all these people said they had literally watched planes crash into towers in NYC, but they couldn't believe it.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Some things are impossible for me to explain away as coincidence.
It doesn't matter someone else thinks.
It's called confirmation bias. You want your beliefs validated and this is how you can do it within your own mind and closed to any feedback from others.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
You can find plenty of first hand accounts, some written some oral, by people who claim to have had life changing spiritual experiences; most attribute these to divine revelation, though not all are comfortable with the G word.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you know something then why would you require a need to believe it?
I think knowledge is a special subset of belief. To know is to believe, but also to believe something true and to have justification for it
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Nope. It's called God Doing miracles.