But not at any cost. There are more important considerations than one's place of birth or even of adoption. In fact, a great many of them.
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Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?
- Thread starter lunakilo
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But not at any cost. There are more important considerations than one's place of birth or even of adoption. In fact, a great many of them.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
How do you feel about the shooter?
rosends
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I think safety and well being rank up pretty high as worth the cost. I haven't moved to Israel because, to be honest, I am comfortable, spoiled and feel safe. Take away that safety, and my comfort and status as a spoiled American would pale.
Of course. Are you implying that nationalism is helpful there? I so disagree.
rosends
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the question isn't "who is a Semite" (and feel free to try and trace yourself to Shem, son of Noah if you'd like) but "what does "anti-Semite" mean. You can play games with the word "semite" and still have no effect on a word which was coined specifically to mean "anti-Jewish."
rosends
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then why are you a "Brazilian atheist" and not just an "atheist"?
lunakilo
Well-Known Member
I consider a dane a dane regardles of whether he happens to be jewish.
I don't see how the state of Israel comes into this.
I wish Netanyahu had just offered his condolences and left it at that.
rosends
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That's a good thing for you to feel but not everyone sees any dane just as a dane apparently. The same way that some people don't think that every Frenchman is a Frenchman. One is cautious not because of people who see everyone as equal, but because there exist plenty of people who don't.
Look, I cant help it if Jews want to deny their Blood Brothers and Sisters called Arabs. Semites are fighting a family feud over there and causing havoc all over the world. The world sees it and is drawn into it by taking sides. When will the Semitic leaders over there settle their family problems without killing each other and affecting the rest of the World?
rosends
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Now you are side stepping the issue. I don't recall anyone trying to "deny" anyone, nor do I think that the term "blood brothers" is accurate. Maybe "distant half-cousin". The question was whether one can take from that label "semite" and then adopt the "anti-semite" label because of it. The answer is, "no."
lunakilo
Well-Known Member
The point I was trying to make was that the jew who died was not an israeli citizen.
I was commenting on your stetement that "Countries do that when their citizens are at risk"
"Brazilian" isn't an ethnicity, race or nationality. Brazil is a melting-pot state. Anyone can become a Brazilian or an American or a Canadian.
So that people won't always assume that I know what they are talking about.
If you see that as a hint of nationalism, well, I will just disagree.
There are those who seem Jewish as a nationality.
We find offense in all manner of places, so, no, I don't thinks it wrong.
As Flankerl has stated, it's an election year in Israel, and, as rosends has stated, the State of Israel views citizenship and inclusion differently than you do.
And I don't have a problem with it; it's the same as the US or the Danish head of state reminding foreign-born children of citizens that they too are citizens and can always return "home" if their current countries of residence become hostile to them.
"Half distant-cousin". The Bible calls those people Gentiles. Line up five Arabs and five Jews. Now tell us which are Semites and which are Anti-Semite.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Our idea of Nationality is just a few thousand years older than the one that started in the 18th century.
So yeah...
lunakilo
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I have no respect for him. A person who thinks that running around and shooting people because he doesn't like what they say or because he doesn't like them is a [insert your favorite insult here]
The police shot him dead. I kind of think he deserves that.
What I am objecting to is Netanyahu's way of ignoring 95% of what happened and using the remaining 5% for to support his political agenda.
One person running amok with a weapon killing 2 and wounding 5 is not 'an islamic terrorist attack on the European Jews. The other person who died was not jewish, most likely he was an atheist. So is this a religious terrorist attack against the atheists community? I think not
I am offended by Netanyahu's statement because he ignores everyone else involved, hurt or killed in the attack using the one person who is a jew and then goes of making a long statement about jews.