Benjamin Netanyahu's statement actually offends me. Am I wromg to be offended?

[LuisDantas]

Our idea of Nationality is just a few thousand years older than the one that started in the 18th century.

So yeah...

Personally, I think you would do well to seek a better, more respectable word to use for that sense of mutual commitment. But it is your choice, not mine.

 

[lunakilo]

There are those who seem Jewish as a nationality.

Hmm, strange...

 

[LuisDantas]

It kind of makes sense for a people with a history of exile. But as I just said, I think they are using a bad word for a good concept.

 

[jeager106]

"never let a tragedy to to waist" as a tool for propaganda.

 

[Knight of Albion]

Sadly anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world.

Strictly speaking anti-Semitism was 'created' by the Roman Catholic Church, but that is for another thread....

Jewish people have suffered injustice, violence and persecution for centuries (the countless pogroms, the Pale settlements during and after WW1, the Holocaust etc.) all of which occurred when there was no state of Israel, no Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
It comes down to scapegoating and religious bigotry.

A Jew is a practitioner of the religion of Judaism.
An Israeli is a citizen of the state of Israel.
The two are not the same.

As in this case, probably most Danish Jews have never been to Israel.
They've certainly never served in the Israeli army because they aren't Israeli.
They've certainly never voted in an Israeli election because they aren't Israeli.
And probably the closest they've ever got to a bone fide Palestinian is the Six O'Clock News!
So I fail to see how, in any way, they can be held accountable for any actions the Israeli army may (or may not ) have done.

But then hate and bigotry need little excuse to show themselves.

 

[Flankerl]

Personally, I think you would do well to seek a better, more respectable word to use for that sense of mutual commitment. But it is your choice, not mine.

So uhm why would we need to change how we call it when our usage is much older?

It's even in our scripture...

Hmm, strange...

Are Jews a Nation or a Religion? | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[BSM1]

I have no respect for him. A person who thinks that running around and shooting people because he doesn't like what they say or because he doesn't like them is a [insert your favorite insult here]

The police shot him dead. I kind of think he deserves that.

What I am objecting to is Netanyahu's way of ignoring 95% of what happened and using the remaining 5% for to support his political agenda.

One person running amok with a weapon killing 2 and wounding 5 is not 'an islamic terrorist attack on the European Jews. The other person who died was not jewish, most likely he was an atheist. So is this a religious terrorist attack against the atheists community? I think not

I am offended by Netanyahu's statement because he ignores everyone else involved, hurt or killed in the attack using the one person who is a jew and then goes of making a long statement about jews.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I think taking offense at someone shooting off his AK-47 at innocent people would trump taking offense at someone shooting off his mouth. Now that would have been a good thread.

 

[Flankerl]

"Half distant-cousin". The Bible calls those people Gentiles. Line up five Arabs and five Jews. Now tell us which are Semites and which are Anti-Semite.

 

[CMike]

This is his statement:
"Extremist Islamic terrorism has struck Europe again, this time in Denmark. We send our condolences to the Danish people and to the Jewish community in Denmark. Jews have been murdered again on European soil only because they were Jews and this wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.

Of course, Jews deserve protection in every country but we say to Jews, to our brothers and sisters: Israel is your home. We are preparing and calling for the absorption of mass immigration from Europe. I would like to tell all European Jews and all Jews wherever they are: 'Israel is the home of every Jew.'

Today we will submit to the Cabinet a NIS 180 million plan to encourage the absorption of immigrants from France, Belgium and Ukraine. We will submit additional plans later. To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say that Israel is waiting for you with open arms."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1032496376765107

What seems to have happened is that a lone gunman (apparently from an arabic background) walked up to a meeting/dedate about freedom of speach and fired a semi automatic weapon at the participants.
He killed one of the participants of the meeting, a film instructor Finn Nørgaard, age 55. And wounded 3 policemen.

He then escaped by stealing a car from a woman, drove for a while, got out and called for a taxi.

After the taxi driver dropped off the shooter the taxi driver called the police. (I can't help thinking about the fact that many of the taxi drivers that drive around and pick up the drunks on saturday are muslim)

Later the shooter started shooting neer a synagogue. He killed a young man Dan Uzan, age 37 standing guard at the door at the Bat mitzva of a young girl. Two policemen were also there and they were both wounded.

Later the police shot and killed the man they assume is the shooter.

So we have one lone lunatic with an arabic background, one danish film instructor, one danish woman, one taxi driver (who when I picture him looks very middle eastern), one danish jew and lots of danish police, and somehow to Benjamin Netanyahu this is an Extremist Islamic terrorist attack on Jews.

I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that Netanyahu grabs this event and tries to use it in support of his own political agenda, and I am not surprised.

I am however offended. Im I wrong to be so?

Edit: Oh! An I forgot that one of the speekers at the debate meeting was Lars Vilks (Swedish guy who made Mohammed cartoons). Again not very jewish as far as I can tell.

Attacks of Jews in Europe has increased alarmingly.

Antisemitism on rise across Europe 'in worst times since the Nazis' | Society | The Guardian

One of main purposes of Israel is that Jews have a place to go when these situations can occur.

A Jew doesn't have to be afraid to be a Jew in Israel.

To answer your question. I don't care if it offends you or not.

Netanyahu was spot on a usual.

 

[CMike]

He did a lot more than kill a jew, but that a jew was killed is what the pime minister focusses on. Everything else that happened is more or less ignored.

It offends me that he uses a tragedy like this for political gain.

Jews are being targeted in Europe more and more.

They should

1) Be allowed to carry concealed guns

2) Should return home to Israel

 

[CMike]

I consider a dane a dane regardles of whether he happens to be jewish.
I don't see how the state of Israel comes into this.

I wish Netanyahu had just offered his condolences and left it at that.

It's Jews being targeted, and he is the head of the one and only Jewish state.

That's how it comes into it.

 

[CMike]

But not at any cost. There are more important considerations than one's place of birth or even of adoption. In fact, a great many of them.

Then the Jews should move to Israel, where their safety is a priority.

 

[gnomon]

This is his statement:
"Extremist Islamic terrorism has struck Europe again, this time in Denmark. We send our condolences to the Danish people and to the Jewish community in Denmark. Jews have been murdered again on European soil only because they were Jews and this wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.

Of course, Jews deserve protection in every country but we say to Jews, to our brothers and sisters: Israel is your home. We are preparing and calling for the absorption of mass immigration from Europe. I would like to tell all European Jews and all Jews wherever they are: 'Israel is the home of every Jew.'

Today we will submit to the Cabinet a NIS 180 million plan to encourage the absorption of immigrants from France, Belgium and Ukraine. We will submit additional plans later. To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say that Israel is waiting for you with open arms."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1032496376765107

What seems to have happened is that a lone gunman (apparently from an arabic background) walked up to a meeting/dedate about freedom of speach and fired a semi automatic weapon at the participants.
He killed one of the participants of the meeting, a film instructor Finn Nørgaard, age 55. And wounded 3 policemen.

He then escaped by stealing a car from a woman, drove for a while, got out and called for a taxi.

After the taxi driver dropped off the shooter the taxi driver called the police. (I can't help thinking about the fact that many of the taxi drivers that drive around and pick up the drunks on saturday are muslim)

Later the shooter started shooting neer a synagogue. He killed a young man Dan Uzan, age 37 standing guard at the door at the Bat mitzva of a young girl. Two policemen were also there and they were both wounded.

Later the police shot and killed the man they assume is the shooter.

So we have one lone lunatic with an arabic background, one danish film instructor, one danish woman, one taxi driver (who when I picture him looks very middle eastern), one danish jew and lots of danish police, and somehow to Benjamin Netanyahu this is an Extremist Islamic terrorist attack on Jews.

I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that Netanyahu grabs this event and tries to use it in support of his own political agenda, and I am not surprised.

I am however offended. Im I wrong to be so?

Edit: Oh! An I forgot that one of the speekers at the debate meeting was Lars Vilks (Swedish guy who made Mohammed cartoons). Again not very jewish as far as I can tell.

You are not the only one offended.

Ethnic nationalism is the purest form of expression of human stupidity.

 

[jeager106]

The Jews feel safe in Israel?
Probably their is a feeling of safety in numbers of like kind.
This is eveident in many cultures that group to gether due to ethnic identity, common values, traditions, language.
But how safe are approximately 6.4 million Jews surrounded by 322 million Arabic
muzlims that wouldn't mind one bit if every Jew on the planet were exterminated.
Politicians everywhere, use anything newsworthy to support, deny, identify with, etc. for political purposes.
They are politicians, it's a common trait, tactic, world wide.
Why the OP is "offended" is something the OP needs examine.
The fact the the OP posist the question "should I be offended" is suspect.
Perhaps it seemed a gentler way to bash the Prime Minster of Israel for the preposterous idea that Jews are under attack world wide by muslims that don't mind one bit killing anyone, anywhere, anytime, in the name of islam, allah, Muhammud or the local imam.
To believe these religious muderous attacks world wide are independant acts of a "few bad muslims" is beyond ridiculous.
Perhaps this latest attack on a small country that welcomes deversity of cultures, religions, races, that just happened to happen where free speech was a topic, was mere conincidence????
Too bad the dead Jew was murdered in front of a place of Jewish worship was somehow wild a**ed bad luck?
Sure.

 

[Iti oj]

Whether or not Israel is safer is a good and valid question. I don't really have an answer, but I think the point is that people should live somewhere where the national government makes their particular safety a priority as a matter of policy.

and how has Denmark failed to do this?

 

[LuisDantas]

Then the Jews should move to Israel, where their safety is a priority.

Are you kidding?

 

[CMike]

Are you kidding?

No.

 

[LuisDantas]

and how has Denmark failed to do this?

Pretty good question.

 

[LuisDantas]

No.

Too bad.

 

[CMike]

The Jews feel safe in Israel?
Probably their is a feeling of safety in numbers of like kind.
This is eveident in many cultures that group to gether due to ethnic identity, common values, traditions, language.
But how safe are approximately 6.4 million Jews surrounded by 322 million Arabic
muzlims that wouldn't mind one bit if every Jew on the planet were exterminated.

Because they have a powerful military to protect them.