Beyond science

[mikkel_the_dane]

People make decisions, not science, so blame those who made the decisions. Science can be used for good or bad but it is still down to people making decisions. The main problem appears to be that we are all so busy with our own lives that we fail to see the impact of what we do affecting the larger world. Why for example, given the wealth of so many countries, we have so many other countries still living in relative poverty? And another of the idiocies we have with so many societies - the wealthier ones all too often - is the lack of recycling as paid for at purchase rather than as a later service. Hence the amount of garbage all around the world and the polluting nature of this. We just seem to ignore problems until eventually we have to deal with them. Not very clever.

The problem is that there are people, who don't live in the real world. But using science we can remove them and make the world a place only for real, rational people, who live in the real world.
So just get rid of all the irrational people, who don't live in the real world and we can solve all the problems.

 

[Jimmy]

It might not be, but your post is

You’re too sensitive

 

[Jimmy]

Scientists sure know more about how amazing
things are than any dreamy moonbat does.

All they know are definitions

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You’re too sensitive

Cute, but I hope that is not too sensitive, but if it is, then again cute and haha.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The problem is that there are people, who don't live in the real world. But using science we can remove them and make the world a place only for real, rational people, who live in the real world.
So just get rid of all the irrational people, who don't live in the real world and we can solve all the problems.

I think it is more down to the political parties and leaders we elect, and the levels of wealth we might expect for ourselves whilst ignoring the impact of this on others - hence the selfish nature of so many perhaps.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

All they know are definitions

No, not really.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think it is more down to the political parties and leaders we elect, and the levels of wealth we might expect for ourselves whilst ignoring the impact of this on others - hence the selfish nature of so many perhaps.

Yeah, we agree. They don't live in real world and are irrational. And if you disagree, you don't live in the real world and are irrational.

 

[We Never Know]

Rubbish. Humanity is why there is global warming - as to many being so selfish and reckless so often.

Well the dogs didn't invent gasoline, cars and such

 

[Audie]

All they know are definitions

That's either pure ignorance or you are just
being silly

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well the dogs didn't invent gasoline, cars and such

You are still referring to humans though, the scientists, but where it is usually the politicians who decide on policies. The scientists provide the tools, but it is up to individuals as to using them, as in the Japanese nukes - the USA leadership decided to use them.

 

[Kfox]

My god is the universe. God is awesome. God is infinite. All these labels, definitions and stuff we attach to things is all good and fine but life is so much more than just all these things. WAY much more.

As an atheist, I know your God is real, I just don't call it God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

As an atheist, I know your God is real, I just don't call it God.

As a skeptic I know nothing.

 

[Kfox]

As a skeptic I know nothing.

How do you know this?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How do you know this?

I don't.

It is simple really.
Let us imagine that a lot of debates function in this general way for claims of knowledge.
Someone: I know X is Y and not Z.
Someone else: I know X is Z and not Y.

It would seem one of them don't know. So I figured out I don't have to know and so far it seems to work.

 

[Kfox]

I don't.

It is simple really.
Let us imagine that a lot of debates function in this general way for claims of knowledge.
Someone: I know X is Y and not Z.
Someone else: I know X is Z and not Y.

It would seem one of them don't know. So I figured out I don't have to know and so far it seems to work.

There is a big difference between concluding knowledge is not necessary, vs having no knowledge at all

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is a big difference between concluding knowledge is not necessary, vs having no knowledge at all

Well, then give evidence as per knowledge that knowledge is necessary. And please explain how knowledge actually works.

 

[Kfox]

Well, then give evidence as per knowledge that knowledge is necessary. And please explain how knowledge actually works.

Knowledge is an awareness of that which aligns with reality. Knowledge of math is necessary to function as an independent person in modern day society

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Knowledge is an awareness of that which aligns with reality. Knowledge of math is necessary to function as an independent person in modern day society

Well, that is a free floating claim, since you haven't actually explained how it works. You only claim it works. How does awareness work in practice? What is reality? How does I am aware of reality actually work?

 

[Nakosis]

As a skeptic I know nothing.

Then why do you believe anything?
Unless you don't believe anything too. Then you're an atheist like me.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, that is a free floating claim, since you haven't actually explained how it works. You only claim it works. How does awareness work in practice? What is reality? How does I am aware of reality actually work?

Awareness is easy. Its being aware of being aware that's hard to answer.