Beyond this election :) - a letter for all the people who haven't liked my posts

[ADigitalArtist]

And yet twice as many before supported Trump? why the dichotomy? (I'm not saying your wrong... trying to understand)



OK... I',m just saying.

Several things:
1. When your pool is small, small shifts in number seem more significant than they are. You could call a demographic increasing two times when it goes from one to two, even though the other ten other for the other guy.
2. If you look at the NYT exiting poll, its less than 1%. Statistically negligible.
3. Day of vote exiting polls are not a good sample selection in the best of times. But in an election where one person told their constituents to vote in person it's *especially* skewed. This polling method doesn't account for early vote, which was overwhelmingly for Biden.
4. A small minority attempting to pass in accepted society, even if it means bigotry against self and peers, is a historical phenomenon constantly repeated. Association of German National Jews - Wikipedia
It is not indicative of said minority not being persecuted.

 

[The Hammer]

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself more than us.

If you're privileged enough to not be part of the demographic harmed personally by the Trump administration, good for you. But it takes a lot of ignoring what's in front of your face to pretend it wasn't happening. So yes, I take it personally.

Same. I take it personally as well, for these exact reasons.

 

[The Hammer]

And, please, enough with the Pandemic.

Not until my wife isn't slowly suffocating, starved for oxygen, along with the millions more that are suffering because of this administrations inept response to a simple ****ing pandemic.

@KenS , would you be saying "enough with the Pandemic" if it was your family on the line, I am sure you wouldn't. Can you extend that same care to others? (Yes?) If so,can you extend that care to everyone in the nation as a whole? Maybe we should be focusing on others instead of ourselves.

 

[The Hammer]

Agreed but that is normal. Like I said, you can't control all the people in 50 states (unless you want a dictatorial style country.)

PS I wouldn't call them stupid but rather the made a stupid decision. A big difference IMO.

China did a damn good job controlling it. Canada has a pretty good grasp on it. Shot everywhere but the US has a decent grasp on the virus? What makes us so retarded and ignorant as to catch it so much more frequently and severely? (Methinks our nation is selfish, to the point of self destruction) and deserves the deaths we are getting.

 

[Kenny]

Several things:
1. When your pool is small, small shifts in number seem more significant than they are. You could call a demographic increasing two times when it goes from one to two, even though the other ten other for the other guy.
2. If you look at the NYT exiting poll, its less than 1%. Statistically negligible.
3. Day of vote exiting polls are not a good sample selection in the best of times. But in an election where one person told their constituents to vote in person it's *especially* skewed. This polling method doesn't account for early vote, which was overwhelmingly for Biden.
4. A small minority attempting to pass in accepted society, even if it means bigotry against self and peers, is a historical phenomenon constantly repeated. Association of German National Jews - Wikipedia
It is not indicative of said minority not being persecuted.

Ok... no problem here... but it really doesn't help me as to "what" is it that makes things worse now than before. What is it that Trump did that made it worse?

Did media give a false representation?

Log Cabin Republicans chair: LGBT Americans belong in Donald Trump's Republican Party
While Democrats take the lesbian and gay community for granted, Donald Trump's Republican Party is delivering real results.

LGBT rights: Donald Trump's inclusive record good for Republican Party

 

[Kenny]

Not until my wife isn't slowly suffocating, starved for oxygen, along with the millions more that are suffering because of this administrations inept response to a simple ****ing pandemic.

@KenS , would you be saying "enough with the Pandemic" if it was your family on the line, I am sure you wouldn't. Can you extend that same care to others? (Yes?) If so,can you extend that care to everyone in the nation as a whole? Maybe we should be focusing on others instead of ourselves.

I think you are taking it out of context.

 

[Kenny]

China did a damn good job controlling it. Canada has a pretty good grasp on it. Shot everywhere but the US has a decent grasp on the virus? What makes us so retarded and ignorant as to catch it so much more frequently and severely? (Methinks our nation is selfish, to the point of self destruction) and deserves the deaths we are getting.

China is not a good "source". They hide everything.

Canada case-fatality 3.7%
US case fatality 2.3%

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How is US worse?

 

[The Hammer]

I think you are taking it out of context.

No, I am not. You are the that said that we need to "stop with the covid talk". Why, does discussing how ****ed up this president botched our response bother you? Does thinking about your family members suffering a little hard to accept. Try living it.

Will you even answer these questions probably not, no one on here that supports Trump seems to want to actually sit and talk with me and console me while my wife suffers. Typical.

 

[The Hammer]

China is not a good "source". They hide everything.

Canada case-fatality 3.7%
US case fatality 2.3%

How is US worse?

It's not just about the fatalities you dense bag of doorknobs. There are LONG lasting consequences to this ****ing infection! Long haul COVID, genetic malformities, permanent lung scarring and breathing issues, clots, strokes, and heart attacks.

EDIT: Your mistrust of CHina begets your age by the way. I am assuming mid 50's, like mny parents. They are terrified of China too. Silly kids.

 

[Kenny]

No, I am not. You are the that said that we need to "stop with the covid talk". Why, does discussing how ****ed up this president botched our response bother you? Does thinking about your family members suffering a little hard to accept. Try living it.

Will you even answer these questions probably not, no one on here that supports Trump seems to want to actually sit and talk with me and console me while my wife suffers. Typical.

Yes.... you took it out of context.

 

[Kenny]

It's not just about the fatalities you dense bag of doorknobs. There are LONG lasting consequences to this ****ing infection! Long haul COVID, genetic malformities, permanent lung scarring and breathing issues, clots, strokes, and heart attacks.

EDIT: Your mistrust of CHina begets your age by the way. I am assuming mid 50's, like mny parents. They are terrified of China too. Silly kids.

doesn't explain why Canada is doing "better" when their fatality rate is worse.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes.... you took it out of context.

How so? What does "discussing covid in relation to the way this administration sucks" and your response "let's not talk covid"

Where is the miscommunication? Please explain to me how I am wrong.

 

[The Hammer]

doesn't explain why Canada is doing "better" when their fatality rate is worse.

Because it's not just the numbers of people that die. Again, we have had a **** ton of people infected, so our doctors have al ittle better grasp on how to keep people alive a little while longer, which tends to assist in their recovery, even if their lungs are slowly filling with their own fluids.

 

[Kenny]

Because it's not just the numbers of people that die. Again, we have had a **** ton of people infected, so our doctors have al ittle better grasp on how to keep people alive a little while longer, which tends to assist in their recovery.

Yes... but that is still relative to percentage. Obviously US has more people ergo more cases... but it doesn't change percentage.

 

[Kenny]

How so? What does "discussing covid in relation to the way this administration sucks" and your response "let's not talk covid"

Where is the miscommunication? Please explain to me how I am wrong.

Because:

1. The president can't control all the people in 50 states
2. The president can't wave a wand and it disappears (but he can fast-track a vaccine which he did)
3. You can't "eradicate" a virus

Biden hasn't given a better plan, as a matter of fact his view was“The pandemic has unleashed familiar forces of hate, fear and xenophobia that he always flames … that have always existed in this society,” Biden said. “But this president brought it with him, has brought with it a new rash of racial messages, verbal and physical attacks and other acts of hate, some subtle, some overt, against the Asian American and Pacific Islanders.”

Biden was one of the top Democrats and leftists who denounced Trump’s banning travel to and from China, where the virus originated, U.S. intelligence officials believe, in a poorly-run lab in Wuhan.


Hind sight is always better but at the time... it was like a football coach just trying to make the best call.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Ok... no problem here... but it really doesn't help me as to "what" is it that makes things worse now than before. What is it that Trump did that made it worse?

Did media give a false representation?

Log Cabin Republicans chair: LGBT Americans belong in Donald Trump's Republican Party
While Democrats take the lesbian and gay community for granted, Donald Trump's Republican Party is delivering real results.

LGBT rights: Donald Trump's inclusive record good for Republican Party

I already gave links about what was done earlier in the thread but here's some more:
'Whiplash' Of LGBTQ Protections And Rights, From Obama To Trump
The Discrimination Administration
After Three Years of Attacking L.G.B.T.Q. Rights, Trump Suddenly Tries Outreach
What It's Like to Be Queer in Trump's America

 

[Kenny]

I already gave links about what was done earlier in the thread but here's some more:
'Whiplash' Of LGBTQ Protections And Rights, From Obama To Trump
The Discrimination Administration
After Three Years of Attacking L.G.B.T.Q. Rights, Trump Suddenly Tries Outreach
What It's Like to Be Queer in Trump's America

Thank you!

 

[Milton Platt]

To all my friends and pseudo-family at RF

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter to me who is next up to bat as the President of this beautiful United States.

For me, 38 years ago I voted for Jesus in my life. For me, He isn't up for reelection, He is still on the throne, He will have the ultimate say so, He will be with me through thick and thin, through peace and difficulty, He will never leave me nor forsake me.

This presidency is temporal, the next one will be too. My earth-life is temporal and the one to come eternal (assuming I am correct in my faith which I am, of course ). This world as we see it is temporal.

I am sure you believe the same in the faith that you have;.

So I love the humor in "how to eat a donkey". To all those who added humor to that thread you understand my perspective. After January 20th or so, we will wake up and the sun will be shining even if it is above the clouds, rain-storms and snowy-storms.

Let's not take this election so personal, there should be no "we have to heal the nation" because we should have never taken it so personal in the first place.

May the peace of God rule over your hearts, may forgiveness reign every moment of your life, may joy be your strength every day, and may love rule in every effort.

Have yourself a God-filled day,

Ken

I am not in any way religious, but you are closer to Biblical standards on this question than other Christians, to be sure. The Bible specifically says that your god places ALL leaders on the seat of power. This means to resist the election of any president, or even the ascendency of any brutal dictator is to oppose your god.

Psalm 75:7 “but it is God who executes judgment, putting down one and lifting up another.”

4:17, KJV "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."
Daniel

 

[Kenny]

I am not in any way religious, but you are closer to Biblical standards on this question than other Christians, to be sure. The Bible specifically says that your god places ALL leaders on the seat of power. This means to resist the election of any president, or even the ascendency of any brutal dictator is to oppose your god.

Psalm 75:7 “but it is God who executes judgment, putting down one and lifting up another.”

4:17, KJV "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."
Daniel

Actually, that is a misinterpretation of scripture as I understand it.

As we apply Romans 13: 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

We find that if they are instituted by God... it is for good. Ergo, if it is a brutal dictator, it isn't from God and can be opposed. If you want to see it applied, we find Peter and John as they stood before those in authority and they said this:

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Obviously if you were correct in your interpretation, the Apostles would have said something different.

 

[Milton Platt]

Actually, that is a misinterpretation of scripture as I understand it.

As we apply Romans 13: 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

We find that if they are instituted by God... it is for good. Ergo, if it is a brutal dictator, it isn't from God and can be opposed. If you want to see it applied, we find Peter and John as they stood before those in authority and they said this:

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Obviously if you were correct in your interpretation, the Apostles would have said something different.

I did not interpret it, I merely quoted it.........