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Bhagavad gita

Itself

Member
A movie that reveals the flaws in the Gita's message of Self-realization.


the MOVIE: “Perfume: The Story of a Murderer”
is a story of Nonduality (the ONE that thoughts make NONE) -- a story of "Self-realization"/Enlightenment --
“The Story of a Murderer” goes far far beyond the Bhagavad Gita... so far beyond that it reveals how the Indus River Sages of old, who gave us the Bhagavad Gita, polluted its message by using all sorts of dualities to hide if not kill its Self-realizing, nonduality/Advaita, message.


take out religion's self-serving dualities, like good and evil, out of the Bhagavad Gita,
and then add some senseless-violence to get the message across
and you have a story that goes far beyond the Gita: “Fight Club.”


Take the senseless-violence out of the Fight Club
and you have a story that goes far beyond the Fight Club
and far-far beyond the Bhagavad Gita.


“Perfume: The Story of a Murderer”


in this movie Jean-Baptiste is born to signify the personification of a NOBODY .. against ALL odds he refuses to die, which ends up “killing” his mother … and everyone else that “profits” from him ..
so he can end up killing not for worldly values/vices, like money, lust or sex,
but to get the smell/essence of "feminine-beauty" … to beget the ultimate-perfume … (read: ultimate meaning: Self-realization)
a Perfume that gives this NOBODY the COMPLETE (god-intoxicating) power over EVERYONE.


– this Perfume turns a serial killer into an god-intoxicating Angel of god, if not a Savior, (think: Krishna, Jesus, Buddha )
… so this NOBODY – who doesn't even have a scent/smell – can Realize (Self-realize) that this power over everyone is worthless … so he literally gives him-SELF to intoxicate others.
(think of the ONE that thoughts make NONE: SELF)


“Perfume: The Story of a Murderer” is a story of Nonduality that would make the Sages that gave us the Bhagavad Gita … laugh at their insignificant Gita.


– O'no
 

Satsangi

Active Member
Friend Itself,

All I can say is that I am speechless.... because I cannot comprehend the beginning or the end or the meaning of your post and am not even sure if it even belongs here.

Regards,
 

K.Venugopal

Immobile Wanderer
Non-duality is undoubtedly the most amazing teaching that has come out of the Hinduism's vast repertoire of teachings. Non-duality (or Advaita) does not invalidate any other teaching, least of all dual teachings. It is simply the summation and acme of all teachings. Advaita is not a teaching that denies the dual experience but rather a teaching that urges us not to consider dualities as contraries but complementary. In considering so, we have the non-dual experience. Such an experience is imperative if we are to move from a fragmented restless mind to a wholesome and restful mind.

At the beginning of the Kurukshetra war, Arjun’s mind is torn asunder by doubts of dualities, boiling down to fight or not to fight. The reason he advances is that violence, particularly in killing one’s own family members, is not worth anything – forgetting that the war is about upholding Dharma, which is challenged by the forces of adharma (disharmony). Krishna realized that the failure of Arjuna to fight would result in the reign of disharmony, chaos and ceaseless violence. Krishna deftly revealed the non-dual vision that enabled Arjun to surmount his fragmented mind and fight to his full capacity. Non-duality is not about failing to discern the world of variety, but ensuring that the mind is not fragmented thereby. When the mind is wholesome, we would be able indulge in activities that would result in harmony. The Kurukshetra war, under the guidance of Krishna, resulted in establishing the laws of harmony at the threshold of the tempestuous age that was upon mankind – the age of Kali. Maybe, were it not for Krishna, we in this age would have been an amoral lot. But it is a fact that the sense of the moral is still strong in mankind. (Of course, the morality of a non-dual mind is different from the morality of a dual mind. Morality for the “dual-minded” is self serving whereas morality for the non-dual mind is a leap into harmony.)
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,
Remember that thread in zen dir about sudden enlightenment?
All scriptures are truly mirrors and the offer so many pointers for the individual to reflect and at a moment when the mind STILLS and the pointer reflects directly to that core of existence within the form that we are in that the connection between the individual and the universal happens.
Yes, it is SUDDEN though the process is gradual, deliberate BUT the real happenning is SUDDEN! is the personal understanding.
Gita is one such scripture. Kindly note that it is not necessary that one merges only when reading scriptures it could be any novel as it depends also on the state of the writer while writing. If the writer writes something while in a state of no-mind it will reflect in the writing and affect the reader who too is in a similar state of acceptance.
Life is truly beautiful.
Love & rgds
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
This isn't to be spammy. I have the full/silver version and I LOVE to have the little gem to carry around and do reading meditation/study :)

The language is accessible and I feel it leaves certain words and terms in their Sanskrit instead of finding an English word.

So here is the link. It takes forever, so it's like a surprise to yourself.
Gita4free.com
 
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Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I've seen that site before, but I've been hesitant about ordering it. :)

Maybe I should seriously consider getting that one as well, since I've heard good things about this translation before now. :)
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
I have read two other translations of the Gita. One completely tried to come up with words for Sanskrit meanings, the other was so laden with Sanskrit it was a little hard to read.... this one is a nice mix, and for pocket sized I fit that all into the compromise, but this one holds it's own.

:namaste
SageTree
 
This is our sectarian contribution in Gaudiya Vaishnavism, 'Srimad Bhagavad-gita: The Hidden Treasure of the Sweet Absolute' by Srila Sridhar Maharaj.

http://scsmathnj.com/media/CSM_PDF/gita.pdf

The commentary is right into the translation, and it is interpreted according to the bhakti school of thought, based on the Gita-bhashyas of Srila Vishvanath Chakravarti Thakur and Srila Baladev Vidyabhushan. Srila Sridhar Maharaj translated this Gita in his conception of Sri Krishna as the Sweet Absolute, or the Absolute Beauty. :)

My favourite verse, Gita 12.6-7:

"But those who offer their every action unto Me, take refuge in Me alone, think of Me constantly in pure devotion unadulterated by exploitation or renunciation, and who thus worship and adore Me O Partha, I swiftly deliver those devoted souls from the deathly ocean of material suffering."
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Has anyone ever read the "Essence of the Bhagadvad Gita?" An interpretation of Paramhansa Yogananda. He goes into great detail the meaning behind the whole story. The Bhagadvad Gita is if some don't know a story that signifies the battle of our ego and our divine nature. Each character in the story represents an aspect of either man's ignorance, divine nature, and God's tools of which bring us back to him. It's an inspiring read.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
The "Bhagavad-Gita", if some don't know, is:

The title "Bhagavad-Gita" translates as, the "Song of God";
It's 700 Verses long;
It's a chapter in the Mahabharata [the epic history of the Royal Dynasty of ancient India circa 3,000 BCE];
This chapter occurs after years of court intrigue and repeated attempts of assasination of a family of 5 younger cousins by the older group of cousins.
The entire world finally took sides after decades of attempts at reconciliation ---and thus, civil-war was declared for the helm of the Royal Aryan Dynasty of the Ancient world 3,000 BCE.

On the first day of the battle ---the General on one side asked to veiw the two opposing sides ---and then suddenly this Prince, named Arjuna, fell silent and sat down.

Thus, Arjuna's cousin & then chariot driver, Lord Krishna, turned to Arjuna to seek to remedy the sudden lack of determination that had overcome Arjuna just as the war had already technically begun.

The 5 Topics addressed in the Gita are:
1 Jiva (nature of the Soul)
2 karma (nature of the Actions)
3 kala (nature of the time)
4 Prakriti (nature of the material Matter & Energy)
5 isvara (nature of the God [the Controller])

Krishna spoke to Arjuna, confidentially for approx 2 1/2 Hours ---while the readied warring parties stood aside and awaited the end of the postponment caused by Arjuna's sudden in-action.

After the "Gita" was finished being spoken by Krishna to Arjuna, the war proceeded for 18 days. What occurred for each of the 18 days and the events after the war was over are all recorded for posterity in the remainder of the Mahabharata.

The Gita is the Bible of Hinduism because it was a summary of Yoga Knowledge as it is; and it was directly spoken by God himself when he advented in his Original-Original Form as Krishna; and it is from the Royal History Epic of India's ancient past known as the "Maha-Bharata" ("Great-Bharata" ~named after the namesake of the famous past Empereor Maharaja (King) 'Bharata'; BTW, the actual name for India, in the country of India is "Bharata". You'll find that India's actual name, 'Bharata' is on all Indian Post Stamps).
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

Thank you all for your responses.
Like to thank friends madanbhakta and SageTree for the links to other versions of *gita* they have provided and which have ordered and downloaded using the links provided.
Thank you all.

Love & rgds
 

yajvan

akṛtrima-aham-vimarśa
hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namasté

There are some key teachings in the Bhāgavad gītā . If you study the Bhāgavad gītā you will find the book has a ntural grouping of 6 chapters ( 6 x 3 = 18) .

In the first 6 chapters some key learnings is Skill in action.

We find this in Kṛṣṇa's words ( some prefer this spelling Kṛṣṇ)...(chapter 2, 47th śloka)
karmaṇi evādhikāras te
mā phalesu kadācana
mā karma-phala-hetur bhūr
mā te saṅgo'stv akarmaṇi
This says, you certainly (eva) have ādhikāra (claim , right , privilege, control) of your (te or ti) karmaṇi (of your actions) , but never or not (mā) of its fruits (phalesu) .

Just so there is no confusion - 'but never or not (mā) of its fruits (phalesu)' clearly points that the individual cannot control the outcome. That is, you do not have a choice on the level of success or failure that may result from that action that is initiated.

The remaining words tell us say in general live not for the fruits of action, nor attach yourself to inaction

Then Kṛṣṇa says how to gain skill in action:
He says (Chapt 2.48) yogasthaḥ kuru karmānī- established (or steadfast) in yoga ( union) perform actions (karma). This is a key instruction.
It is in this union with the Supreme that one's actions are most effective.

This union is found here: (Chapt 2.45) be without the 3 guna-s (traiguṇya) established in the SELF (ātmavān).
It is outside ( some would say transcends) the guna's that are the orchestrators of all the actions we see in this phenomenal word. Kṛṣṇa is informing us to operate/be established in the SELF that is beyond the binding influence Of these guna's... then one operates skillfully within the field of action.

praṇām
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
I finally have a good question for Yajvan:

Yajvan,

Regarding 'sandhi-contractions' rules of writting sanskrit:
When one reads a sanskrit verse aloud,
One should pronunce the written text with the 'sandhi' aphabeth shown! ---Is that Correct?

Q. Is it okay to pronunce the written text WITHOUT the 'sandhi' contractions shown?
In this case, of course, the reader must be aware of the root-words as written without the abbreviated 'sandhi' contractions.

Does thsi apply to Hindi?

If the text says "Can't" ---can I say "Can not" and still be correct in the reading.
I'm sure it doesn't change the meaning ---but it changes the sound that is pronounced.
I am NOT referring to any mantras per se.

If, in the case of "Hindi language":
If a bollywood movie script is written with words that are written with sandhi' contractions ---Is it Okay & Proper to read/delivery/speak the script without the 'sandhi' contractions [as long as the scripts's author raises no objection]?
 
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