Bible Coruption.

[angellous_evangellous]

If God wrote the bible it is inerrant if He didnt write it(through men as they were led by the Holy Spirit) then it's all a very well written fairy tale and I'm off down the pub to get hammered.

I am aware you are of the opinion it's a collection of myths.

This is why belief in inerrancy / infallibility leads directly to atheism.

Please answer this question here -It's the fourth time I have asked it now...

Do the people you "minister" to know this is what you believe, IE that the bible is a collection of myths.

To do so would take this thread off topic.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

hi here is a few questions to think about

[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Which KJV is inspired, since it was revised four times, the last being in 1769. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]What Bible would these KJV worshippers recommend since before 1611 there was no Bible. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Do they realize that the apostle Paul did not use the KJV. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Why do KJV only advocates reject the apocrypha, since the original 1611 version contained the apocrypha? [/FONT]
[FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Is it not ridiculous to suggest that when the [FONT=Times,Times New Roman]Textus Receptus[/FONT] disagrees with the KJV that Greek TR has errors, but the KJV doesn't? Is this not the ultimate example of "translation worship"? (Reject the original in favour of the translation)
Did you know that the Textus Receptus, from which the KJV was translated, was based on half a dozen small manuscripts, none earlier than the 10th century?
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No body is sayingthe KJV is inspired not even the translators of the KJV. This thread is mixed up enough as it is without people bringing more falsehoods into the equation.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No body is sayingthe KJV is inspired not even the translators of the KJV. This thread is mixed up enough as it is with people bringing more falsehoods into the equation.

Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

This is why belief in inerrancy / infallibility leads directly to atheism.



To do so would take this thread off topic.

Nothing about this thread is on topic - lol _ a great new thread topic woul be "Satans plan to to defame and destroy the validiy of scripture"...

I think you could contribute a lot to that thread topic. (green smiley face Icon)

Can you not see how one would find it odd that a "minister of the gosple" is so convinced that the bible is NOT innerrent while at the same time he is crystal clear that this belief leads to athiesm?

I've got you number pal, keep in touch (yellow smiley faced icon)

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time.

Another falsehood?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

a "minister of the gosple" is so convinced that the bible is NOT innerrent while at the same time he is crystal clear that this belief leads to athiesm?

Well, when an intellectually honest person looks at the evidence, they must either abandon Christianity or adjust their view of Scripture.

That's one reason so many seminarians loose their faith in seminary. They've been lied to all their lives and they have to face the truth.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Another falsehood?

My old Greek professor used to say that a lot.

Ah, the good ol' days.

I still remember him yelling:

"You can translate it like that but that's been considered heresy by the church for 2000 years!!!"


hahaah

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

My old Greek professor used to say that a lot.

Ah, the good ol' days.

I still remember him yelling:

"You can translate it like that but that's been considered heresy by the church for 2000 years!!!"


hahaah

I suppose that is in keeping with scripure that say's "the more one knows the more miserable one becomes" - thats a translation I embelished.

However one can still argue the legitimacy of said seminaries and training institutions as to what exactly it is that they are teaching. The "mainline" baptists have rejected the inerency of scripture for decades hence the independent bible baptist movement.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Well, when an intellectually honest person looks at the evidence, they must either abandon Christianity or adjust their view of Scripture.

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And or look at the "evidence" and adjust there view of the "evidence"

I have given facts here in this post that you have called lies before even checking t...and I am meaning the differnce in translations, not the authours argueable embelishments.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I suppose that is in keeping with scripure that say's "the more one knows the more miserable one becomes" - thats a translation I embelished.

However one can still argue the legitimacy of said seminaries and training institutions as to what exactly it is that they are teaching. The "mainline" baptists have rejected the inerency of scripture for decades hence the independent bible baptist movement.

That is not the case with the Southern Baptist Church.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

That is not the case with the Southern Baptist Church.

What do you mean..?

Southern baptist have or haven't rejected the inerrency of scripture, please clarify.

I don't know much about Southern Baptists, other than to assume they are baptists from the south.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

As you say, though, you can't read the original languages, so it is hard to make claims about where the KJV is superior or not in terms of translation. The perfect example is the translation of Lucifer vs. Morning star for the hebrew helal.



You tell me. You started this thread, but the article you quoted appears to be defending the KJV translation over all others, so it seems that examining the possibility that the KJV isn't the best translation is in line with the OP.



Certainly I wouldn't mind addressing in-depth questions about particular places where the KJV differs and whether other translations are superior, or about the actual manuscripts used in modern translations vs. the KJV.




Oh I understand. And I wish I had your faith. I just don't.



Most agnostics I come across a borderline atheists. They often don't care much about religion at all. I, on the other hand, would very much like to believe in God or something, and study the subject constantly, but I just don't have faith.



In all seriousness, that is a great attitutde. I'm not being sarcastic.


I do.

Dude when God saves your soul you don't need faith. It's a reality and is something you are - not something you hope for. I pray that you will arrive there soon.

The scripture that you have trouble believing to be Gods word, due in the main to a grand scale disinformation campaign by satan and his hordes AKA lies, tells us that one can be ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

The bridge to reality is faith. With out faith it is impossible to please God. Further more without faith it is impossible for God to please you.

Now theres a word worthy of some study....Faith.

God bless you.

PS. I say if there is error in one part - it's all erroneous. This is why Satan works so hard at trying to show the world that it cant be trusted, and for as long as succeeds in doing this, Christ can and will be doubted as the only way into heaven and the only way out of hell. Satan's existence and a place called heaven and hell can and will be mocked to high heaven as fairy tale...and rightly so.

Im just deeply sadened that the "Education" system is churning out hard working men who most probably love God and want to serve him with the deepest conviction that the bible we have today is simply a faulty document that cant even be trusted as Gods word at all.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What do you mean..?

Southern baptist have or haven't rejected the inerrency of scripture, please clarify.

I don't know much about Southern Baptists, other than to assume they are baptists from the south.

That's why I said it.

Since the SBC is the largest denomination in the US, I'd consider them mainline.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

PS. I say if there is error in one part - it's all erroneous.

That's why inerrancy leads to atheism. You just need one error and everything falls apart.

Im just deeply sadened that the "Education" system is churning out hard working men who most probably love God and want to serve him with the deepest conviction that the bible we have today is simply a faulty document that cant even be trusted as Gods word at all.

Don't waste your energy with that. Seriously.

Be comforted that Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is churning out 5,000 folks a year who are fundamentalist automatons... 10% of them are gay, several of them will commit adultery and molest children. That's the real problem. Anyone can preach what they believe, few of us live a healthy life.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

That's why I said it.

Since the SBC is the largest denomination in the US, I'd consider them mainline.

Lol, what a character.

you still havent clarified what you mean't.

Using my keen detective skills I conclude that the SBC have not rejected the inerrency of scripture...? Am I right?

Im talking about about the mainline baptist movement in my country, we arent all American.

We have "baptists" and independent baptists here, although the independents mostly have been missionaries from the US of A for Average. (that was a joke by the way) A stands for America of course. Perish the thought that I would mock the leaders of the free world.

Even Spurgeon was vilified and castigated by the "good old Mainline Baptists" in his day, they have always been up to no good. They are well known for being disinformation specialists par excellance.

Even after Spurgeon dissasociated himself from them they had the cheek to put a massive statue of him outside their head office, how's that for brand theft?

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

That's why inerrancy leads to atheism. You just need one error and everything falls apart.



Don't waste your energy with that. Seriously.

Be comforted that Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is churning out 5,000 folks a year who are fundamentalist automatons... 10% of them are gay, several of them will commit adultery and molest children. That's the real problem. Anyone can preach what they believe, few of us live a healthy life.

My Lord that's just terrible.

So tell me, why be in the ministry at all if you are quite happy that the so called "word of God" can't be varified as the word of God.

I see that you are captivated by the promise of redemption through Christ , but how can you be convinced that this is actually true/possible?

I dont think atheism is the end result of the above - Agnostism maybe, Atheism is the most rediculous concept known to man in mho

Can I ask would you consider yourself born again AKA saved AKA redeemed at this point in time or is this just a concept your fascinated by? Serious question...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

My Lord that's just terrible.

So tell me, why be in the ministry at all if you are quite happy that the so called "word of God" can't be varified as the word of God.

I see that you are captivated by the promise of redemption through Christ , but how can you be convinced that this is actually true/possible?

I dont think atheism is the end result of the above - Agnostism maybe, Atheism is the most rediculous concept known to man in mho

Can I ask would you consider yourself born again AKA saved AKA redeemed at this point in time or is this just a concept your fascinated by? Serious question...

1) What's terrible?

2) Calling

3) As for the atheist / agnostic bit, I guess that either proves my point...

4) I haven't thought about it. I understand myself as walking in the hope of the fulness of Christ.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

1) What's terrible?

2) Calling

3) As for the atheist / agnostic bit, I guess that either proves my point...

4) I haven't thought about it. I understand myself as walking in the hope of the fulness of Christ.

1. Coronation street.

2. By who?

3. Your guess is as good as mine

4. Wow - Astonishing.

 

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

How do you know that it was the devil who twisted the bible?

An educated guess

Wasn't the devil a character in the bible?

I think He still is.

What if he was made up?

What if he wasnt?

If some things in the bible were made up, maybe all the supernatural experiences were made up.

If the bible can be proved wrong in one area, then the whole lot is a ficticious story and your off the hook and you and me can go party together. It hasn't proven to be a myth yet inspite of people with PHDs in Bible studies claiming that is has been proven to be a myth. They can claim it all they like with big acadameia type words like "codex" and so on and so forth, but I'm still waiting for the evidence that proves the bible is a myth. Legitimate Science proves the bible is not a myth, there is nothing in scripture that contradicts legitimate scientific fact.

In 1861 the FrenchAcademy of Science published a brochure of fifty-one “scientific facts” which supposedly contradicted the bible. These where used by the atheists of that day in ridiculing Christians. Sound familiar? Today, all fifty –one of those “facts” are unacceptable to modern scientists. In other words they have been proven to be false/wrong/lies.

IE Scientifically proven

There is no evidence that the devil even exists and the only evidence Christians can bring forward to prove his existence is the bible

There is a lot of annecdotal evidence to prove the existence of evil in the world - there are a great many people who have sold their souls to satan for fame fortune etc and got it - this is a known proven fact.

which is, as you said is twisted.

Im not saying it's twisted, Im still waiting for the proof of that from my friend Angellous who has PHD in Bible studies, he says it's quote unquote " a collection of myths "

What if it was people who made the bible what it is.

Then lets go party coz this is all there is folks.

 

[Kathryn]

Dang it, no one has answered my question.

IF the KJV is the only legitimate translation of the Bible, what about the poor sods who don't speak or read English? What are they - chopped liver? What are their "legitimate options" when it comes to translations?