Galateasdream
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Can you be precise as to what you're accusing me of here? I'm a little confused.
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Bible Fails
- Thread starter Galateasdream
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Can you be precise as to what you're accusing me of here? I'm a little confused.
PruePhillip
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Galateasdream
Active Member
No, I was talking to 3rd Angel about what gay agenda he thought I had. You took a response out of the middle of a conversation, lol
No worries.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Sure until I can be convinced otherwise. Sorry your simply wrong
Read it in context of the whole post it was pretty clear. Maybe not so much if your part quoting me.
Trying to find God's truth outside of his Word while leading others away from faith in his Word while promoting a lifestyle the bible condemns.
Indeed. I like to comment on claims people make if I believe them to be not true and in error bur only as a help. I do not believe your claims to be true so I am simply stating why I believe this way.
Read the rest of the post you have quoted me from. Part quoting me and taking a small sentence out of context to the rest of my post and commenting on it is not what I am saying or claiming to you here. No?
No I did not misunderstand you. I can quote your words if you like? After I had posted scripture in relation to how we are saved which is through faith in the scriptures (God's Word) in order to support an argument of the importance of the scriptures in relaiton to salvation. You stated that we can be saved in other ways outside of faith. This is simply not biblical. JESUS is the Word *JOHN 1:1-3; 14.
I believe your claims to biblical error is not true. It seems you do not know what the bible is teachings because you look for answers outside of God's Word.
According to the scriptures in JAMES 2:18-20; 26; 1 JOHN 3:6-10, so do the devils believe in God. They will not enter back into God's kingdom though. What is the difference do you think between the children of God and the children of the devil according to the scriptures?
Nonsense. You simply looked for sources outside of God's Word instead of seeking God through his Word following the teachings of men over the Word of God.
Indeed, my standard is the Word of God which you deny. How can you claim to be a christian and not believe and follow God's Word?
No need to pick apart anything. Hell in the Greek and Hebrew simply means an unseen place (the grave). That does not mean there will be no judgement or judgements given to those who do not believe and follow God's Word. All that is left according to the scriptures to those who do not believe and follow God's Word is a fearful looking forward to of the judgment to come *HEBREWS 10:26-39.
True I am being honest with you. No need to forgive me or thank me for being honest with you. It is my duty of love as a christian. It would be a blessing for you if you receive it as such. You mistake me being rude and disrespectful however for telling you the truth. I can indeed see through you but not with my eyes. I think if you are honest with yourself you know deep down inside, I am telling you the truth
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McBell
Unbound
So you think that pushing pedophilia is some sort of homosexual agenda?
Galateasdream
Active Member
Ok. Can you leave it there then so the thread can get back on track and focus on biblical errors?
I think it plain to both of us, and everyone else, that we are just going to continue to think each other is wrong.
I'd appreciate it if after responding to my points below you either focussed on errors rather than me, or moved on to a different thread. If you want to critique me some more then please start your own separate thread to discuss my shameful wolf in sheeps clothing, lying, atheistic, God denying sinful lifestyle.
Which is what exactly? And what gay agenda?
So ... You just straight up calling me a liar now. Amazing!
It's impressive you know my life experiences and past better than I do. You have a rare gift.
Pretty sure it's not a mistake, lol...
There's many ways you could have expressed your opinion without the name calling, rudeness and disrespect. Truth telling is a not a cover for bad behaviour.
It also does your POV no good at all, inclining neither your interlocutor or other readers to your side. Ultimately your approach is counter productive, but I think you may already know this and just kinda enjoy talking the way you do. Each to their own I guess
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
It's complicated. Pedophilia is well on the way - but it's coming from another route
to homosexuality, at least for now.
It's connected to child porn. And last year this porn went from about 23 million internet
images to about 45 million. And sexualization of children is part of it too - and that's
growing tremendously. We had an issue here in Aust last month when activists tried
to break up a transgender party for kids. The activists were roundly criticized. Same
too a few years back when people tried to stopped beauty pageants for small children.
Laws governing child porn are being softened, as they must.
And on top of all this we have PEDERASTY. This essentially is gay men having sex
with pubescent boys. It can refer to having sex with young girls too. This will blur the
line tremendously. I can see gays pushing boy-sex as a coming gay right issue. I am
sure that such gays probably dislike the idea of pedophilia like most of us do, but
connecting their agenda with it won't be accepted - and gays now have a lot of political
power to shut you down for suggesting it.
McBell
Unbound
This sentence does not make any sense to me as written.
So child porn is part of the homosexual agenda?
wow.
Just...
wow.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
No, pedophilia is separate to homosexuality
BUT PEDERASTY IS NOT.
Pederasty is homosexual relations between a man and a boy
(usually a pubescent boy - not a child.)
THIS could be a gateway to pedophilia but I doubt it.
BUT... pedophilia is unstoppable and growing. Child porn is
closely related and growing exponentially.
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
There is no biblical errors. Only misrepresentation of the scriptures from those who do not seek to believe and follow God's Word.
The one where I asked you directly what do you think the scriptures teach about homosexuality. Your response was that the biblical writers teach that it is sin however you believe that the scriptures are wrong and that you follow something similar (transgender?). Therefore it would be in your interest to prove the scriptures wrong and deny God's Word of which this thread you made as a "christian" seems a good example.
Where did I call you a liar? Not agreeing with you is not calling you a liar. It means I do not agree with you. Perhaps you believe what you believe I do not know. I think you know though I am only telling you the truth and simply being honest with you
I do not know you. God does. God gives his Spirit to those who believe and follow his Word. It is the Spirit of truth but you do not believe it.
Pretty sure it is a mistakes on your side. Your mistaking me being honest and truthful with you for rudeness and name calling. Bad behavior would be not to be honest and tell you the truth and not calling error as error especially to someone proffessing the name of Christ *see 1 TIMOTHY 5:20; REVELATION 3:19.
Not really all your doing is trying to mask what I am really trying to say and with what I am not doing. I am simply being honest with you because you are in error but it seems you do not believe me or you do not like it as you do not believe the scriptures that testify against you. One day you will remember me as one of those who tried to help you and point you in the right direction that cared about you enough to tell you the truth when no one else would.
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Galateasdream
Active Member
So, aside from Matthews misquotation, what other errors or biblical problems do I see as most persuasive against inerrency?
Factual errors:
The idea that the sky is a solid dome with water above it
The idea that the earth was made before the sun
Historical errors:
A global flood around 6-10,000 years ago
The well known problem of Luke's census
The lack of evidence, and some counter evidence, for the Exodus
Failed Prophecy:
Most of the NT portrays the return of Christ as happening very soon, Jesus putting it within a generation
Lack of cohesion:
The differences between the synoptic Jesus' and the Jacobian teaching of a works based salvation, and the Johannine and Pauline message of a faith based (and probably universal) salvation
The difference between the Jesus freewill/choice message, and Pauline predestinarianism
Moral issues:
The Noahic flood
The tenth plague
The Canaanite genocide
The lake of fire/ hell
Canon:
The lack of a clear consensus and methodology on what texts are canonical
Factual errors:
The idea that the sky is a solid dome with water above it
The idea that the earth was made before the sun
Historical errors:
A global flood around 6-10,000 years ago
The well known problem of Luke's census
The lack of evidence, and some counter evidence, for the Exodus
Failed Prophecy:
Most of the NT portrays the return of Christ as happening very soon, Jesus putting it within a generation
Lack of cohesion:
The differences between the synoptic Jesus' and the Jacobian teaching of a works based salvation, and the Johannine and Pauline message of a faith based (and probably universal) salvation
The difference between the Jesus freewill/choice message, and Pauline predestinarianism
Moral issues:
The Noahic flood
The tenth plague
The Canaanite genocide
The lake of fire/ hell
Canon:
The lack of a clear consensus and methodology on what texts are canonical
3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
As posted before and shown you earlier through the scriptures, there is no problem with Matthews scripture the same as there is....
No Factual errors:
No Historical errors:
No Failed Prophecy:
No Lack of cohesion:
No Moral issues:
No problem with the Canon
Everything is as it should be. The only problem is misrepresentations and misinterpretation of what the scriptures are teaching by those who seek not to believe and follow God's Word because they do not know God or his teachings.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Don't assume the bible says the earth came before the sun.
God made the heavens
and the earth.
And the earth was an oceanic world, shrouded in dense clouds
the sky cleared
the continents rose from the oceans
life appeared on land
and then in the sea
and finally man
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
sooda
Veteran Member
Great video.. Joshua is probably a fiction. Israel couldn't support a large army and archaeology indicates that Canaanite towns were not interrupted much less destroyed.
Galateasdream
Active Member
Which, somewhat ironically, is one of the better ways to deal with the moral dilemma of the Canaanite genocide: it simply didn't happen, and the text is ANE war rhetoric embedded within a tribal origin myth.
sooda
Veteran Member
Israel Finkelstein and others say that the Israelites were a landless Canaanite tribe.
- Israelites as Canaanites - World history
www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch04-2.htm
Israelites as Canaanites. Returning to the thirteenth century BCE, an elaborate study by the archeologist Israel Finkelstein counted 25 Israelite settlements at one given time in the hill country of eastern Canaan – settlements with a total population of perhaps 3,000 to 5,000.
- Where Did the Early Israelites Come From? · The BAS Library
Special Collectionsisraelites-come
In subsequent decades, a new theory emerged: that the early Israelites were indigenous to Canaan and were pastoralists who lived on the fringes of settled areas. In “Searching for Israelite Origins,” Israel Finkelstein examines and compares archaeological finds of the hill-country Iron I sites with those...
McBell
Unbound
I am not a big fan of punishing the children for the sins of the parents.
Galateasdream
Active Member
Yes, I think that would be a moral failing.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is this like the "agenda" of the blacks during the civil rights movement (and beyond) in getting Jim Crow repealed? Is this like the "agenda" of women lobbying for equal wages? Is this like the "agenda" of dreamers who've been here since they were toddlers wanting to remain here as full citizens? Is this like the "agenda" of citizens of Central America resisting the oppression of dictatorial regimes? Is this like the "agenda" of Jesus and the Christian movement resisting the systemic violence of Roman occupied Palestine? Is this like the "agenda" of Jews fighting for independence in 1967? Is this like the "agenda" of the colonies fighting for independence from Britain in the 1770s?
Every minority group has to fight for their voice and their rights. And always, those in power dismiss the importance of that fight as an "agenda," intimating that it's some dark, forbidden, and unnecessary act.