The GOD(Allah)said in the holy islamic book :Say (O Muhammad) :"O people of the scripture (jews and christians): come to a word that is just between us and you ,that we worship none but Allah (Alone),and that we associate no partners with Him ,and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah .Then , if they turn away ,say:Bear witness that we are Muslims.Qur'an 3(64)Maize said:
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Green Gaia
Veteran Member
Met0047 said:
So? Quote the Quran all you want, it doesn't prove a thing to me.
abdullah001
New Member
where does it say in the bible, that jesuse said im god, or worship me??
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
I think you need to reflect on the fact that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same G-d, Met0047. While you´re quoting from the Qur'an, study Sura 2 Ayat 62 and think on that for a good while before you start running your mouth with hateful things and circular logic- and do remember while you´re quoting Ayaat in English that it´s no longer the actual word of G-d, either.
G-d has revealed the message in different ways according to the times and the needs of the people.
G-d has revealed the message in different ways according to the times and the needs of the people.
I agree.SoyLeche said:
Tell me met0047, why should i believe muhammad was a prophet? Why should i believe him over all the authors of the new testiment? What makes you so sure that the quran wasnt just made up by muhammad or worse inspired to him via demons?
He would become greatly perturbed and his face would change (Mishkat IV, p.359). Muslim Tradition tells us that sometimes he would shiver and swoon, his mouth would foam, and he would roar like a camel (Pfander 1910:345). At other times when the inspiration descended there was the sound near his face like the buzzing of bees (from Umar ibnul Khattab and the Mirat I Kainat, vol.1,p.411), while at other times he felt a tremendous headache (from Abu Hurairah). - http://www.doyougetme.net/faithworks/thequran.htm
The Quran denies the atonement Christ made for you and therefor you do, you better be right when you say Christ wasnt crucified for your sin.
met0047 you claim that islam believes all the prophets, is that just somthing you say to try and make islam more palatable?
What do you do with prophecies such as Isiah 53 written 700 years befor Christ?
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6
Im yet to hear one reasonable answer to such a specific prophecy from any non-chritistian perspective.
There are so many prophecies that point to Christ and the atonement he would make - http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html
Hi Abdullah,abdullah001 said:
As I noticed this is your first post here, I thought I would take the opportunity to welcome you to the forum;
You might like to post on :-Are you new to ReligiousForums.com? , to introduce yourself to the other members, and also to check out our article with links for our newer members.
Ilook forward to seeing your posts,
Michel
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
That same question can be asked of almost every religion.
That website has quite a few factual errors, and shows little knowlegde of the Qur'an (which, funny, it didn't quote in that little passage you posted- just "tradition") or Bible, for that matter. : P
The Qur'an also says that if you sincerely ask G-d for forgiveness he will grant it with no go between needed.
Actually, no, the Qur'an says that, not just met0047 here. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sabians (which can be translated to anyone who lives morally be they part of an Abramahic religion or one like Buddhism) have nothing to fear and will be rewarded.
Having Holy Book wars does not help anyone. D:
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You don't believe in the prophet Jesus because He said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that no one will get to the Father but by Him. In order to believe in a prophet you need to believe their words. Jesus said that if you love Him you will keep His commandments.Met0047 said:
Quite, this is just circular logic.............SoyLeche said:
Met0047, I have no problem whatsoever with you believing in Islam, neither do I have a problem with you believing that the Qu'ran is the only " Holy book", but you really must understand that we all have our different beliefs, as we are entitled to them.
Put it another way, if you are right, and the Qu'ran is the only true holy book, how do you account for this;-
21% othe the world population agree with you; that means that 79% think otherwise...............
abdullah001
New Member
hi michel
thank you for your welcoming message, and i would be happy to read the articles on this site.
thank you for your welcoming message, and i would be happy to read the articles on this site.
I would like to ask michel this question: what other religion in that chart came after ISLAM. If you say none, then don't you think people are learning about Islam and converting in numbers (Islam is the second largest religion from your chart).michel said:Quite, this is just circular logic.............
Met0047, I have no problem whatsoever with you believing in Islam, neither do I have a problem with you believing that the Qu'ran is the only " Holy book", but you really must understand that we all have our different beliefs, as we are entitled to them.
Put it another way, if you are right, and the Qu'ran is the only true holy book, how do you account for this;-
21% othe the world population agree with you; that means that 79% think otherwise...............
abdullah001
New Member
hello everyone
i couldnt help to notice that a post made earlier by SoyLeche, saying that prophet muhamed, peace be upon him, wrote the holy quran. that is NOT TRUE. he did not write the quran, and every muslim or someone who had just a little bit of knowledge about islam would know that the prophet muhamed did not write the quran.Prophet Muhamed was illiterate. the quran is the word of Allah. By the way Allah is the meaning of the word God in arabic, and as you may have noticed in the movie (PASION OF THE CHRIST) they referred to God in the language they spoke as Allah. I just wanted to clear that up because some people think that Allah is a seperate identity from God.
The difference between muslims and christians is that you believe that Jesus is the son of God, and we believe that he is a prophet sent by God. Also you believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, and we believe that he was not, because God answered his prophets prayers and saved him from the crucifiction. we believe that after judas betrayed Jesus, God punished him by making him look like Jesus and not be able to talk, and he was the one crucified not Jesus Christ. God helped his prophet Jesus just like he helped Abraham when he was thrown on the fire, and jonah when he was swallowed by a whale.
These are some reasons why i think you should read the quran,
1. Inimitable
It dares you to disprove it. How? It says that humans cannot write a book like this even if they pooled all their resources together and got help also from the spirits. The Quran said this fourteen hundred years ago and yet no one has been able to disprove it. Billions of books have been written-but not another one like the Quran.
2. Incorruptible
It is the only religious sacred writing that has been in circulation for such a long time and yet remains as pure as it was in the beginning. The Quran was kept intact. Nothing was added to it; nothing was changed in it; and nothing was taken away from it ever since its revelation was completed 1400 years ago.
3. Unsurpassable
The Quran is Gods final revelation to humankind. God revealed the Torah to Moses, the Psalms to David, the Gospel to Jesus, and finally the Quran to Muhammad. Peace be upon Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad. No other book will come from God to surpass His final revelation.
4. Indisputable
The Quran withstands the test of time and scrutiny. No one can dispute the truth of this book. It speaks about past history and turns out right. It speaks about the future in prophecies and it turns out right. It mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to people at the time; yet later scientific discoveries prove that the Quran was right all along. Every other book needs to be revised to accord with modern knowledge. The Quran alone is never contradicted by a newly discovered scientific fact.
5. Your Roadmap for Life and Afterlife
The Quran is the best guidebook on how to structure your life. No other book presents such a comprehensive system involving all aspects of human life and endeavor. The Quran also points out the way to secure everlasting happiness in the afterlife. It is your roadmap showing how to get to Paradise.
6. Gods Gift of Guidance
God has not left you alone. You were made for a reason. God tells you why he made you, what he demands from you and what he has in store for you. If you operate a machine contrary to its manufacturers specification you will ruin that machine. What about you? Do you have an owners manual for yourself? The Quran is from your Maker. It is a gift for you to make sure you function for success, lest you fail to function.
It is a healing from God. It satisfies the soul, and cleans the heart. It removes doubts and brings peace.
7. Your Calling Card to Communicate with your Lord
Humans are social creatures. We love to communicate with other intelligent life. The Quran tells us how to communicate with the source of all intelligence and the source of all life-the One God. The Quran tells us who God is, by what name we should address Him, and the way in which to communicate with Him.
Are these not seven sufficient reasons for reading the Quran?
i couldnt help to notice that a post made earlier by SoyLeche, saying that prophet muhamed, peace be upon him, wrote the holy quran. that is NOT TRUE. he did not write the quran, and every muslim or someone who had just a little bit of knowledge about islam would know that the prophet muhamed did not write the quran.Prophet Muhamed was illiterate. the quran is the word of Allah. By the way Allah is the meaning of the word God in arabic, and as you may have noticed in the movie (PASION OF THE CHRIST) they referred to God in the language they spoke as Allah. I just wanted to clear that up because some people think that Allah is a seperate identity from God.
The difference between muslims and christians is that you believe that Jesus is the son of God, and we believe that he is a prophet sent by God. Also you believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, and we believe that he was not, because God answered his prophets prayers and saved him from the crucifiction. we believe that after judas betrayed Jesus, God punished him by making him look like Jesus and not be able to talk, and he was the one crucified not Jesus Christ. God helped his prophet Jesus just like he helped Abraham when he was thrown on the fire, and jonah when he was swallowed by a whale.
These are some reasons why i think you should read the quran,
1. Inimitable
It dares you to disprove it. How? It says that humans cannot write a book like this even if they pooled all their resources together and got help also from the spirits. The Quran said this fourteen hundred years ago and yet no one has been able to disprove it. Billions of books have been written-but not another one like the Quran.
2. Incorruptible
It is the only religious sacred writing that has been in circulation for such a long time and yet remains as pure as it was in the beginning. The Quran was kept intact. Nothing was added to it; nothing was changed in it; and nothing was taken away from it ever since its revelation was completed 1400 years ago.
3. Unsurpassable
The Quran is Gods final revelation to humankind. God revealed the Torah to Moses, the Psalms to David, the Gospel to Jesus, and finally the Quran to Muhammad. Peace be upon Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad. No other book will come from God to surpass His final revelation.
4. Indisputable
The Quran withstands the test of time and scrutiny. No one can dispute the truth of this book. It speaks about past history and turns out right. It speaks about the future in prophecies and it turns out right. It mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to people at the time; yet later scientific discoveries prove that the Quran was right all along. Every other book needs to be revised to accord with modern knowledge. The Quran alone is never contradicted by a newly discovered scientific fact.
5. Your Roadmap for Life and Afterlife
The Quran is the best guidebook on how to structure your life. No other book presents such a comprehensive system involving all aspects of human life and endeavor. The Quran also points out the way to secure everlasting happiness in the afterlife. It is your roadmap showing how to get to Paradise.
6. Gods Gift of Guidance
God has not left you alone. You were made for a reason. God tells you why he made you, what he demands from you and what he has in store for you. If you operate a machine contrary to its manufacturers specification you will ruin that machine. What about you? Do you have an owners manual for yourself? The Quran is from your Maker. It is a gift for you to make sure you function for success, lest you fail to function.
It is a healing from God. It satisfies the soul, and cleans the heart. It removes doubts and brings peace.
7. Your Calling Card to Communicate with your Lord
Humans are social creatures. We love to communicate with other intelligent life. The Quran tells us how to communicate with the source of all intelligence and the source of all life-the One God. The Quran tells us who God is, by what name we should address Him, and the way in which to communicate with Him.
Are these not seven sufficient reasons for reading the Quran?
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Abdullah, i respect your religion i just wanted to make that clear from the start. But in answer to your question "Are these not seven sufficient reasons for reading the Quran?"abdullah001 said:
I would have to say no.
Lets look at them in order;
1. A book just like the Quran? There have been several new religious books, each containing prophecy, teachings and ideas about God. The Book of Mormon being a good example. This point is essencially flawed, in that any book that did appear that was like the Quran, you would not accept and thus not consider it a rival.
2. Says who? You got the original lying around somewhere to compare modern editions too?
3. Again the Book of Mormon is considered a holy book, and that appeared after the Quran.
4. The Quran talks of God molding Adam and Eve from clay. This is disputed by science.
5. The best guide for you maybe. There are many other guides which people follow.
6. Like the answer to 5, people look to many different sources for guidance, this is no proof that the Quran is special.
7. Yes it does. But the bible does that as well, both the Christian and the Hebrew. So do the texts of Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Hinduism, Wicca, Mormonism etc etc...
abdullah001
New Member
halcyon, i want to ask you a question? Why is there more then one bible? which one is telling the truth?? did all the versions come from God?? or was it rewritten by people to suit their needs??
Buttons*
Glass half Panda'd
Did humans write the holy books of everything? yes. Are humans fallible? yes (according to the koran, torah, and bible). Could people have made up what they wanted it to say for personal gain? Yes, and on all accounts. Maybe we;re all wrong! Or, maybe instead of focusing on who is "right" we should focus on the actual messages of the books/god(s) we've dedicated out lives to. Maybe we're all right, we just needed a different translation or book to get there...abdullah001 said:
You know something,(in refrence to the entirety of the thread) you can say that about ANY and ALL religious books. *rolls up sleves* All of these "god inspired writings"... if i wrote a book, and said "it is the truth, inspired by god" and got enough people to belive it, it would be a religion, or cult depending on your definition of it. Who is to say that the writers of the bible, koran, ANYONE were just high one day and came up with this stuff? We weren't there therefore we cannot decide anything. its not a matter of proof it's a matter of faith. Believe what you want, but everything is subjective, and there is "proof" enough to make anything true. (proof seems to be confused with faith many a time... how sad...)
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
That's more than one question, but okabdullah001 said:
Why is there more than one bible? Because it has been translated many times. Plus groups have splintered off from the original church.
Which i telling the truth? Truth is subjective and personal. Personally, i would say none of them are telling the truth as i understand it.
Did all versions come from God? I don't see why not.
Was it rewritten by people to suit their needs? Yes, definately yes.