Biden keeps shipping unaccompanied children to New York and refuses to stop, stressing the system.

[SkepticThinker]

Are you pro-life and pro family?

Pretty much everyone is pro-life.

I'm in favour of keeping families together. Tearing children from their families and separating them indefinitely causes long-term psychological harm.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Pretty much everyone is pro-life.

I'm in favour of keeping families together. Tearing children from their families and separating them indefinitely causes long-term psychological harm.

Only would hope everyone was pro-life. And agree with you on the family.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So I'm at, and those are the people we are talking about.

What short-sighted assumptions have I made?

Do you agree or disagree with this:
What Makes a Good Immigration Policy? The Purposes of Immigration and Lessons from the Past | The Project for a New American Government

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you agree or disagree with this:
What Makes a Good Immigration Policy? The Purposes of Immigration and Lessons from the Past | The Project for a New American Government

I disagreed right at the point where I read the title, "The Differences Between Immigration and Invasion."

 

[ElishaElijah]

I disagreed right at the point where I read the title, "The Differences Between Immigration and Invasion."

Why is that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why is that?

Because it's hysterical language.
Immigrants aren't invading the USA.
Refugees aren't invading the USA.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Because it's hysterical language.
Immigrants aren't invading the USA.
Refugees aren't invading the USA.

I would say the 1.7 million they are projecting trying to cross the border illegally is an invasion. What would you call it?Experts Expect 1.7M Illegal Immigrants to Enter U.S. By End of 2021 - The Tatum Report

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would say the 1.7 million they are projecting trying to cross the border illegally is an invasion. What would you call it?Experts Expect 1.7M Illegal Immigrants to Enter U.S. By End of 2021 - The Tatum Report

And that's why we don't agree. It's why we are on completely different wavelengths.

Where did they pull that number from? And how are they defining "illegal immigrant?" I mean, they start by declaring that 50,000 "illegal immigrants" have "poured into the country" this year and then they throw out this 1.7 million projection that appears to have been pulled right out of someone's a**.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I would say the 1.7 million they are projecting trying to cross the border illegally is an invasion. What would you call it?Experts Expect 1.7M Illegal Immigrants to Enter U.S. By End of 2021 - The Tatum Report

New blood. America is a nation of immigrants.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And that's why we don't agree. It's why we are on completely different wavelengths.

Where did they pull that number from? And how are they defining "illegal immigrant?" I mean, they start by declaring that 50,000 "illegal immigrants" have "poured into the country" this year and then they throw out this 1.7 million projection that appears to have been pulled right out of someone's a**.

It’s a forecast:
Our forecast for the balance of CY 2021 assumes a decrease in apprehensions following the precedent of 2000. In such an event, apprehensions at the US southwest border would total 1,581,000 for FY 2021 and 1,690,000 for [the] calendar year 2021. The fiscal year figure would be the third worst in the historical record, and for the calendar year, the absolute worst in the historical record by nearly 100,000.”


So I am all for legal immigration, where people are vetted, assimilated into the US and become active, responsible citizens who contribute to society and enjoy the freedoms that come from God and protected by the Constitution.
I am not for people coming to the US without permission crossing the border, not vetted or assimilated into society like what’s going on now, it’s a free for all now.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It’s a forecast:
Our forecast for the balance of CY 2021 assumes a decrease in apprehensions following the precedent of 2000. In such an event, apprehensions at the US southwest border would total 1,581,000 for FY 2021 and 1,690,000 for [the] calendar year 2021. The fiscal year figure would be the third worst in the historical record, and for the calendar year, the absolute worst in the historical record by nearly 100,000.”

Yes, I read it. It appears to be pulled out of thin air, especially given the actual data available showing 50,000 so far for the year. There's quite a leap from that to 1.7 million.
Also, the argument is obviously biased against immigration in general and the current President.

Still didn't see anywhere where they actually defined what they mean by "illegal immigration" but for about the third time now, we were talking about refugees, who are not "illegal immigrants."

So I am all for legal immigration, where people are vetted, assimilated into the US and become active, responsible citizens who contribute to society and enjoy the freedoms that come from God and protected by the Constitution.
I am not for people coming to the US without permission crossing the border, not vetted or assimilated into society like what’s going on now, it’s a free for all now.

Right, you just happen to like articles with incendiary and biased language.

Besides ditching Trump's "zero tolerance" policy of separating families, what has Biden done at the border than is any different than what Trump was doing? Not much, from what I can see.

 

[Kooky]

I would say the 1.7 million they are projecting trying to cross the border illegally is an invasion.

Of course, if you ever actually said that, you would also be wrong.

What would you call it?

Immigration.

I'm actually quite baffled how few Americans seem to be able to recognizing the difference, considering the vast number of countries that have been invaded by American armed forces in the past.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And that's why we don't agree. It's why we are on completely different wavelengths.

Where did they pull that number from? And how are they defining "illegal immigrant?" I mean, they start by declaring that 50,000 "illegal immigrants" have "poured into the country" this year and then they throw out this 1.7 million projection that appears to have been pulled right out of someone's a**.

Here is another article and perspective just in case you’re thinking it’s biased, this has been a problem for a long time, ignoring the laws we pass and encouraging people to come to the US improperly is negligent by any leadership.

US on track to encounter record 2 million migrants on the southern border, government estimates show - CNNPolitics

 

[SkepticThinker]

Here is another article and perspective just in case you’re thinking it’s biased, this has been a problem for a long time, ignoring the laws we pass and encouraging people to come to the US improperly is negligent by any leadership.

US on track to encounter record 2 million migrants on the southern border, government estimates show - CNNPolitics

So now we're talking about migrants?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you always uncritically accept what your government claims to be true?

Not all the time but truth be told, the government has an uncanny ability to be correct down the road more often than not. At least from my experiences.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hmmm, this is funny with a lot of people accepting mandatory vaccine decisions for themselves and their children solely on what the “Government” says especially when the dissenting doctors voices are being censored as well as any other options than what the “Government” says. That’s my opinion, experience, and observation.

It's why independent doctors, surgeons, and nurses are so important. They tell the actual truth rather than being compulsory led mouthpieces for juggernaut political organizations.

 

[Kooky]

Not all the time but truth be told, the government has an uncanny ability to be correct down the road more often than not. At least from my experiences.

You mean, when your government aligns with your favorite ideological positions.