Biden says he's a Zionist in his support for Israel.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

ROFL no, actually that is not what's going on there.

Sure it is. You're quibbling about how wholesale slaughter in Gaza wouldn't kill the entire Palestinian people, and how forcibly clearing people from their homeland isn't genocide because being turning someone into a refugee isn't the same as killing them outright.

Isn't that what you were getting at?

There are plenty of people out there that abuse language. Words like genocide, terrorism, war crimes have specific meanings. It is a form of lying to use a word such as one of those when in fact it doesn't apply.

Ethnic cleansing - which is an accurate description of what the IDF is doing in Gaza - is technically different from genocide, but I don't think this hair-splitting is enough to justify the high horse you're getting up on.

You're on the wrong side of history. You're justifying evil.

 

[Shaul]

There's something that doesn't add up...here.
For two years, the leftist media have been obsessed with Ukraine, and neither Ukraine nor Russia are in the NATO.
But Ukraine magically becomes the home of saints...

Israel has been in the NATO since ever, but the leftist media always condemn Israel.

Where's the logic in that?
I can't find any.

Israel is not a member of NATO.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There's something that doesn't add up...here.
For two years, the leftist media have been obsessed with Ukraine, and neither Ukraine nor Russia are in the NATO.
But Ukraine magically becomes the home of saints...

Israel has been in the NATO since ever, but the leftist media always condemn Israel.

Where's the logic in that?
I can't find any.

Apartheid regimes are generally unpopular.

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel is not committing genocide. Genocide is defined as the deliberate conscious choice to try to completely eliminate a nationality, ethnicity, tribe, or religion. That is not what is happening in Gaza. The IDF is targeting Hamas, not Palestinians.

Your claim ignores the fact that not only is Israel killing
tens of thousands of Palestinians, maiming many more,
& destroying Gaza, it is also actively seeking to force
them to "voluntarily" emigrate to other countries &
even other continents.

Collateral damage, aka the deaths of civilians that happen as a consequence of bombing military targets, is not genocide.

When "collateral damage" is intentional & on such a
massive scale, it is no longer "collateral", but policy.

It is not even a war crime. That there are so many civilian deaths is horrendous, but the blame for it rests on Hamas, which has deliberately embedded in places like hospitals, schools, homes, mosques etc.

Compare this to Hamas, which has as part of its Charter, Article 7, to kill all the Jews. Now THAT is genocide. Unlike Israel, Hamas definitely DOES target civilians. We had babies in ovens, women and children raped, people beheaded, fetuses ripped out of the womb, mothers and children chained to each other and set on fire.... Nothing the IDF is doing compares to that. Nothing.

Israel kills far far more innocents than Hamas
did or does. And they do this with full support
of Biden & Congress.
You cite atrocities perpetrated by Hamas, but
you're utterly silent on Israel's murder, maiming,
& eviction of far far far more Palestinans.
Why? Because they're not Jews...only Muslims.
And to think that you actually support this.

 

[Revoltingest]

Apartheid regimes are generally unpopular.

Not so. Just unpopular here & there.
Israel was a value ally of apartheid S Africa.
And Israel's apartheid has very popular support in USA.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sure it is. You're quibbling about how wholesale slaughter in Gaza wouldn't kill the entire Palestinian people, and how forcibly clearing people from their homeland isn't genocide because being turning someone into a refugee isn't the same as killing them outright.

Isn't that what you were getting at?



Ethnic cleansing - which is an accurate description of what the IDF is doing in Gaza - is technically different from genocide, but I don't think this hair-splitting is enough to justify the high horse you're getting up on.

You're on the wrong side of history. You're justifying evil.

1. *Staff Edit*. Ethnic cleansing is not going on.
2. There is nothing wrong with a nation defending itself from attack, provided they follow the rules of war, which they are.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your claim ignores the fact that not only is Israel killing
tens of thousands of Palestinians, maiming many more,
& destroying Gaza, it is also actively seeking to force
them to "voluntarily" emigrate to other countries &
even other continents.

When "collateral damage" is intentional & on such a
massive scale, it is no longer "collateral", but policy.

Israel kills far far more innocents than Hamas
did or does. And they do this with full support
of Biden & Congress.
You cite atrocities perpetrated by Hamas, but
you're utterly silent on Israel's murder, maiming,
& eviction of far far far more Palestinans.
Why? Because they're not Jews...only Muslims.
And to think that you actually support this.

Again, the question is not whether civilians are being killed, but whether they are being TARGETED. In the case of Hamas, yes, they absolutely target civilians. In the case of the IDF, no they are not.

You need to realize that the death quotes you are receiving is from Hamas, which is not a reliable source of information. Consider that the Gaza Health Ministry, which is controlled by Hamas, blamed Israel for the bombing of a hospital and stated 500 people had died. When the facts came out, it was Islamic Jihad that was the source of the bomb, the bomb had struck the parking lot, not the hospital, the hospital was NOT shut down, and the deaths were between 12 and 50 people. In other words, the Health ministry had exaggerated the deaths by over TEN TIMES, and unjustly blamed the IDF. So please, realize that the death counts you are getting are a bunch of bull.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, the question is not whether civilians are being killed, but whether they are being TARGETED. In the case of Hamas, yes, they absolutely target civilians. In the case of the IDF, no they are not.

You've no basis to say they aren't being targeted.
Israel even announced they don't prioritize accuracy
over destruction, which is tacit intention to murder
civilians. And the evidence of massive death &
destruction bespeak wanton disregard that rises
to intent. Add to this Israel's admission that it
shoots unarmed civilians...when it turns out that
the believed-to-be Palestinians turned out to be
Jewish hostages.

You need to realize that the death quotes you are receiving is from Hamas, which is not a reliable source of information.

You don't offer other figures.
Just criticize the source.
Yet you lap up whatever is claimed by Israel,
a brutal islamophobic regime that's guilty
of numerous human rights crimes.

Consider that the Gaza Health Ministry, which is controlled by Hamas, blamed Israel for the bombing of a hospital and stated 500 people had died. When the facts came out, it was Islamic Jihad that was the source of the bomb, the bomb had struck the parking lot, not the hospital, the hospital was NOT shut down, and the deaths were between 12 and 50 people. In other words, the Health ministry had exaggerated the deaths by over TEN TIMES, and unjustly blamed the IDF. So please, realize that the death counts you are getting are a bunch of bull.

You're still justifying what Israel is doing.
Tens of thousands of innocents murdered.
Children with limbs ripped from their bodies
by cowardly Israelis pushing buttons from
comfy seats. Intending to send Palestinians
from Gaza to foreign countries.
This is evil.

You say....
"Loving God and my neighbor as myself."
Yet your posts smack of cruel inhumanity
towards Palestinians. So much for this "God".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You've no basis to say they aren't being targeted.

I absolutely can say they are not being targeted. We have instances where Israel has dropped leaflets warning civilians to get to safety before they bombed. We have the fact that Israel waited for DAYS to enter a hospital in order to facilitate civilians leaving before they entered. And on and on.

****Mod Edit****

I've had enough of this conversation. Reply if yo want, but I won't respond.

 

[Revoltingest]

I absolutely can say they are not being targeted.

Based on what?

We have instances where Israel has dropped leaflets warning civilians to get to safety before they bombed.

With no way for them to move.
And then attacking them when they do.

Leaflelts...you're serious that this prevents
deaths of civilians. Amazing.

We have the fact that Israel waited for DAYS to enter a hospital in order to facilitate civilians leaving before they entered. And on and on.

While snipers shot nurses thru windows.

****Mod Edit****

Here it comes....the zionist's only real weapon.
Without reality to cite, they resort to the tired
old ad hominems.
But you are the one defending genocide. Defending
murder. Defending killing & maiming of children.
I stand up for human rights. You advocate Israel's
religious hatred & murder of Muslims, & their
elimination from Gaza. Have you no shame.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Israel is not committing genocide. Genocide is defined as the deliberate conscious choice to try to completely eliminate a nationality, ethnicity, tribe, or religion. That is not what is happening in Gaza. The IDF is targeting Hamas, not Palestinians. Collateral damage, aka the deaths of civilians that happen as a consequence of bombing military targets, is not genocide. It is not even a war crime. That there are so many civilian deaths is horrendous, but the blame for it rests on Hamas, which has deliberately embedded in places like hospitals, schools, homes, mosques etc.

Compare this to Hamas, which has as part of its Charter, Article 7, to kill all the Jews. Now THAT is genocide. Unlike Israel, Hamas definitely DOES target civilians. We had babies in ovens, women and children raped, people beheaded, fetuses ripped out of the womb, mothers and children chained to each other and set on fire.... Nothing the IDF is doing compares to that. Nothing.

Israel deliberately targets all palestinians by depriving them of food and running water. I am sure you are aware of the horrors of starvation and dehydration.

 

[Estro Felino]

Israel is not a member of NATO.

Even better. It means Israelis are not accountable to the USA or any other NATO member.
They are free to do whatever they please, to defend their country.

 

[Revoltingest]

He does?

**mod edit**
How else can disciples of Jesus & God's Chosen
justify mass murder of Muslims? Killing & maiming
of babies & children as enemies of The Jewish State?
Emptying a land of Palestinians, sending them on a
diaspora so that Jews can expand into it?

**mod edit**

 

[Estro Felino]

**mod edit**
How else can disciples of Jesus & God's Chosen
justify mass murder of Muslims? Killing & maiming
of babies & children as enemies of The Jewish State?
Emptying a land of Palestinians, sending them on a
diaspora so that Jews can expand into it?

**mod edit**

For the record: Syrians and Libyans were Arabs too, and the lounge-loving Left justifying Hamas was silent, back then.
When Syria and Libya were undone.
So their honesty and credibility is below zero.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

1. **mod edit** Ethnic cleansing is not going on.

I'd love to hear your justification for that.

2. There is nothing wrong with a nation defending itself from attack, provided they follow the rules of war, which they are.

So the Palestinian people are justified in defending themselves against the IDF?

 

[Sargonski]

**mod edit**
How else can disciples of Jesus & God's Chosen
justify mass murder of Muslims? Killing & maiming
of babies & children as enemies of The Jewish State?
Emptying a land of Palestinians, sending them on a
diaspora so that Jews can expand into it?

**mod edit**

holy carp this is confused. How is advocating genocide of Muslims semitism ?? since when is this the definition of semitism ? and how on earth is this a favorable policy for Jews to maintain .. publicly ..

then you claim anti - favorable policy for the Jews - is to believe in human rights for all ??

and Zionists .. are not disciples of Jesus in general .. nor God's Chosen .. the founders of the movement were atheists.. this group now joined however with the extremist religious zealots .. in a demonic union of sorts -- both yearning for the "Cleansing of the Land" .. Amalekite Style.

For the record: Syrians and Libyans were Arabs too, and the lounge-loving Left justifying Hamas was silent, back then.
When Syria and Libya were undone.
So their honesty and credibility is below zero.

for the record .. They are all Semitic Peoples .. Canaanites the lot of them .. Lebanon - Gaza - Palestine - Syria - Israel and beyond - Semitic peoples with Sumerian Blood running through their veins .. mixed with some other stuff here and there.

So there is no such thing as Pro semite .. or anti Semite ..when it comes down to genetics --

The religious battle ... benefits not the semites in this equation .. and Jews are Arabs too are they not ? certainly if you go back far enough.. I think we will face the same problem as with the Semite . ?!

 

[Revoltingest]

holy carp this is confused. How is advocating genocide of Muslims semitism ?? since when is this the definition of semitism ? and how on earth is this a favorable policy for Jews to maintain .. publicly ..

"Anti-semitism" is their label for opposition to Israel's
long oppression, killing, thieving, & general devaluation
of Muslim lives. So the opposite of "anti-semitism"
must be "semitism", ie, to favor Israel's inhumanity,
& to oppose equal human rights, value, & dignity
for non-Jews.

 

[Sargonski]

"Anti-semitism" is their label for opposition to Israel's
long oppression, killing, thieving, & general devaluation
of Muslim lives. So the opposite of "anti-semitism"
must be "semitism", ie, to favor Israel's inhumanity,
& to oppose equal human rights, value, & dignity
for non-Jews.

Way too a confusing way to put it across. I understand the use of of the AS label - to demonize anyone or anything critical of the Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid State .. or any of the Israeli Agenda in General. This tactic has particular effect in the US .. who has become in many respects the dog being wagged by the Israeli lobby tail .. those voices whispering in the ear of Biden, and the Admin, and Congress.

Douglas MacGregor calls them "The Donor Class" --and While the Israeli voice is one of many -- they sure seem to get high priority .. usurping our foreign policy for their own interests .. which are not necessarily in the best interest of the American Citizen.

 

[metis]

I've had enough of this conversation. Reply if yo want, but I won't respond.

I certainly don't blame you one iota for doing that as some of the comments are so terribly bigoted. Seems some have conveniently forgotten what we in the States did after Pearl Harbor, 9-11, etc.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

He does?

Yes, it was clear he did.