Biden says he's a Zionist in his support for Israel.

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, it was clear he did.

Just saying it doesn't make it so.
Evidence?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I certainly don't blame you one iota for doing that as some of the comments are so terribly bigoted. Seems some have conveniently forgotten what we in the States did after Pearl Harbor, 9-11, etc.

Amd that a lot of us thought those actions were wrong. Hell, even going on 80 years later lots of us still insist dropping the atomic bombs was a war crime, amd not happy with the mass execution of Japanese civilians.
9/11? That was just wrong. Decades of time and trillions of dollars spent just to ferment anti-America rhetoric, slaughter civilians, destory neighborhoods amd get more troops killed than US civilains killed during the 9/11 attacks. Amd in the end the Taliban just stepped out of the woodwork and picked up where they left off 20 years ago.

 

[Estro Felino]

Amd that a lot of us thought those actions were wrong. Hell, even going on 80 years later lots of us still insist dropping the atomic bombs was a war crime, amd not happy with the mass execution of Japanese civilians.
9/11? That was just wrong. Decades of time and trillions of dollars spent just to ferment anti-America rhetoric, slaughter civilians, destory neighborhoods amd get more troops killed than US civilains killed during the 9/11 attacks. Amd in the end the Taliban just stepped out of the woodwork and picked up where they left off 20 years ago.

I kinda felt that sorrow. During my university years I met so many American soldiers, because of the US Naval Air Station nearby.
The idea that many of them had to fly to Iraq....made me angry.
It made me hate the Iraqi war first, and then all wars.
I used to go out with those guys. The idea that some of them may have risked their own life in Iraq, ....unbearable.

 

[Bthoth]

I certainly don't blame you one iota for doing that as some of the comments are so terribly bigoted. Seems some have conveniently forgotten what we in the States did after Pearl Harbor, 9-11, etc.

After? It's looking at before, that exposes the cause. a.... USA kicked japanese butts in china before 12/7 pearl harbor.

b..... USA screwed the muslims in afghanistan without even discussing palestine.

 

[Father Heathen]

The left is eerily silent on Biden's statement he's a Zionist.

Pull your head out and actually pay attention to the media. There have been plenty of objection and protest from "the left" against Biden over this.

 

[Father Heathen]

There's something that doesn't add up...here.
For two years, the leftist media have been obsessed with Ukraine, and neither Ukraine nor Russia are in the NATO.
But Ukraine magically becomes the home of saints...

Israel has been US ally since ever, but the leftist media always condemn Israel.

Where's the logic in that?
I can't find any.

Killing civilians = bad.

 

[metis]

Amd that a lot of us thought those actions were wrong. Hell, even going on 80 years later lots of us still insist dropping the atomic bombs wa s a war crime, amd not happy with the mass execution of Japanese civilians.
9/11? That was just wrong. Decades of time and trillions of dollars spent just to ferment anti-America rhetoric, slaughter civilians, destory neighborhoods amd get more troops killed than US civilains killed during the 9/11 attacks. Amd in the end the Taliban just stepped out of the woodwork and picked up where they left off 20 years ago.

Yes, but the pickle Israel has been in since 10-7 and before, was not only the assault on over 1000 civilians but also the missiles which continue to be launched out of Gaza. Hamas could quickly stop this if they did what Japan did-- surrender and stop fighting. Quite a few already have done as such but the missiles haven't stopped being launched.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hamas could quickly stop this if they did what Japan did-- surrender and stop fighting. Quite a few already have done as such but the missiles haven't stopped being launched.

Except Japan was already interested in ending the war and ensuing peace and got the bombs dropped on them anyways.
But peace is a two way street. It's not all on Hamas to stoo what they are doing. IDF can also just as easily stop their own wanton destruction and slaughtering of civilians. And indeed Israel does have to stop fueling Hamas recruitment, allow all Palestinians to vote when it happens, amd cease their incursions into what little land the Palestinians have.
PIRA could have stopped, butthat would have stopped England's oppressions of the Irish or the reasons anyone felt they had to resort to violence in the first place.

 

[metis]

Except Japan was already interested in ending the war and ensuing peace and got the bombs dropped on them anyways.

They sent no overtures to the western powers as far as I'm aware of. Their biggest problem was running out of oil.

But peace is a two way street. It's not all on Hamas to stoo what they are doing. IDF can also just as easily stop their own wanton destruction and slaughtering of civilians.

And the missiles would just continue to be launched. If they were falling on your village, would you just sit back and make similar statements?

Like a good friend of mine would sometimes say: "It all depends on whose ox is being gored".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If they were falling on your village, would you just sit back and make similar statements?

I wouldn't destroy innocent people's home, I wouldn't bomb innocent people, I wouldn't tell them where to go for safety and then bomb where I told them they'd be safe, and I wouldn't have taken their lands and economically crushed them into a bleak existence in the first place.

 

[metis]

I wouldn't destroy innocent people's home, I wouldn't bomb innocent people, I wouldn't tell them where to go for safety and then bomb where I told them they'd be safe, and I wouldn't have taken their lands and economically crushed them into a bleak existence in the first place.

IOW, you would do nothing.

The very unfortunate reality is that in modern warfare, the vast majority of people killed are civilians.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the missiles would just continue to be launched. If they were falling on your village, would you just sit back and make similar statements?

Israel has never tried peace, ie, letting up on apartheid,
torture, group punishment, financial oppression, etc.
In the year prior to Oct 7, Israel killed more Palestinians
than in the decade before.
Israel reaps what it sows.

Like a good friend of mine would sometimes say: "It all depends on whose ox is being gored".

Aye, to care about Jews, but
have no regard for Muslims.

 

[Revoltingest]

IOW, you would do nothing.

You see only 2 alternatives....
- Do nothing.
- Kill tens of thousands of Palestinians, maim the surviving children, & drive them all from Gaza.

You've never considered offering justice
& peace to Palestinians. Your version of
Christianity is deadly thievery.

 

[metis]

Just a note that I almost never read Revoltingest's posts for reasons he's aware of, so my not responding is for that reason alone.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

IOW, you would do nothing.

The very unfortunate reality is that in modern warfare, the vast majority of people killed are civilians.

I would do stuff. I would be very serious about eliminating Hamas leadership, I'd work to pave the way towards a peaceful relationship with Palestine (Hamas isn't welcome to those talks) and stop the repressions, land grabs and economic repressions that fuel Hamas recruitment.
As much as I've been making comparisons to the Troubles and you want to say I'd do nothing?

 

[Revoltingest]

Just a note that I almost never read Revoltingest's posts for reasons he's aware of, so my not responding is for that reason alone.

Weakness.