Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning

[shawn001]

Everything about scientific theory is abstract.....the very concepts of time and space are abstractions from the underlying eternal and infinite nature of existence...

If you do not see that the infinite and eternal nature of Cosmos of both the religious understanding of the manifested God, and the suggested scientific theory, then we will just agree to disagree....

It's not so much stamina that is needed, but patience....kids find it difficult to pay attention and are not so interested in learning....=)

Ben on this

"underlying eternal and infinite nature of existence"

its an opinion right?

 

[suncowiam]

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wait am I understanding you right?

"There is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias"

What about Galileo for one?

Right, without such bias(observations), possibly all religious folks would still believe that the sun revolves around the earth.

 

[shawn001]

I am working with a bunch of people who developed a new cognitive computer and on a space project. Hence my interest in what kind of engineer your were. I also work with an electrical engineer who worked 23 years for NASA on the shuttles, Gravity Probe B and New Horizons mission which will reach Pluto this summer.

 

[shawn001]

Right, without such bias(observations), possibly all religious folks would still believe that the sun revolves around the earth.

This is just cool, with both the "Sun Based Copernican view and Earth Centric Tychonian view."

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[Ben Dhyan]

wait am I understanding you right?

"There is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias"

What about Galileo for one?

The key word here is 'credible'...if you were a student of religion, you would be familiar with the Book of Revelations whereby Rome is seen as the 'Whore of Babylon' which is generally accepted, except by the Roman Church itself, as apostate, ie. unfaithful, or prostituted teachings relative to the true religion of Christ...

 

[suncowiam]

I am working with a bunch of people who developed a new cognitive computer and on a space project. Hence my interest in what kind of engineer your were. I also work with an electrical engineer who worked 23 years for NASA on the shuttles, Gravity Probe B and New Horizons mission which will reach Pluto this summer.

Oh, interesting. What type of cognitive functions are you guys focusing on?

 

[psychoslice]

The key word here is 'credible'...if you were a student of religion, you would be familiar with the Book of Revelations whereby Rome is seen as the 'Whore of Babylon' which is generally accepted, except by the Roman Church itself, as apostate, ie. unfaithful or prostituted teachings relative to the true religion of Christ...

For me personally, the so called whore of Babylon is religion, or organized religion, for this takes one away from ever discovering their inner being, their inner Christ.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

For me personally, the so called whore of Babylon is religion, or organized religion, for this takes one away from ever discovering their inner being, their inner Christ.

Further on in Rev, it describes the Whore of Babylon also as the 'mother of all whores'....this then is interpreted as all Christian Churches that broke away from the mother Roman Church are also apostate...that's pretty much the lot...the Jewish Church was already apostate in the days of Jesus...

 

[shawn001]

Oh, interesting. What type of cognitive functions are you guys focusing on?

Its an AI computer. One thing were are hoping to use it for is controlling experiments remotely in space and to teach students. I can tell you more soon about it.

 

[psychoslice]

Further on in Rev, it describes the Whore of Babylon also as the 'mother of all whores'....this then is interpreted as all Christian Churches that broke away from the mother Roman Church are also apostate...that's pretty much the lot...the Jewish Church was already apostate in the days of Jesus...

Yes that makes sense.

 

[shawn001]

The key word here is 'credible'...if you were a student of religion, you would be familiar with the Book of Revelations whereby Rome is seen as the 'Whore of Babylon' which is generally accepted, except by the Roman Church itself, as apostate, ie. unfaithful, or prostituted teachings relative to the true religion of Christ...

I am a student of religion and have been studying them for a long time over 30 years, which is why I don't believe in organized religion for one.

The Book of Revelations were letters written to the seven churches at the time. I could go on with this but won't now.

Also, why are you mentioning this particular religion?

What does that have to do though with what you said and what I said about Galileo?

 

[suncowiam]

Its an AI computer. One thing were are hoping to use it for is controlling experiments remotely in space and to teach students. I can tell you more soon about it.

Sounds cool. Let me know when you can. Thanks

 

[shawn001]

There is the whole Daniel and John issue and Revelations/ The Apocalypse and that is was not about the future but about them and the times they lived in the 1 century. The number 666 isn't right either.

 

[shawn001]

Sounds cool. Let me know when you can. Thanks

Can do

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am a student of religion and have been studying them for a long time over 30 years, which is why I don't believe in organized religion for one.

The Book of Revelations were letters written to the seven churches at the time. I could go on with this but won't now.

Also, why are you mentioning this particular religion?

What does that have to do though with what you said and what I said about Galileo?

Because Galileo was persecuted by the Roman Church...why else?

The Letters to the Seven Churches in Rev are in Chapter 2 and 3, read the rest of the book to find out the chapters on the Whore of Babylon....

 

[shawn001]

"Because Galileo was persecuted by the Roman Church...why else?"

No offence here , but this contradicts what you said earlier really. "There is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias"

"The Letters to the Seven Churches in Rev are in Chapter 2 and 3, read the rest of the book to find out the chapters on the Whore of

Babylon.."

I have read the bible. I have studied it in depth and many religions before it like Zoroastrianism, where a lot of these ideas came from as well as the Sumerians and Babylonia first.
.

Again why just Christianity?

Also what is "credible religion"? What makes one more "credible" then another?

 

[shawn001]

Comparing two creation stories: one from Genesis
and the other from Babylonian pagan sources:

Comparing the Genesis and Babylonian stories of creation


By the way, you like the above theory because of enternity it seems. Also as I have pointed out there was a big bang we have pictures of it frozen in time with the CMB.

So how far back does the math go until it becomes meaningless and is thought to be a possible singularity?

 

[oldbadger]

Stubborn people often miss the obvious.

...absolutely.

If the initial of life 'came in', then we have no idea about the initiation of life.
So the creationists can still breath easy!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"Because Galileo was persecuted by the Roman Church...why else?"

No offence here , but this contradicts what you said earlier really. "There is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias"

"The Letters to the Seven Churches in Rev are in Chapter 2 and 3, read the rest of the book to find out the chapters on the Whore of

Babylon.."

I have read the bible. I have studied it in depth and many religions before it like Zoroastrianism, where a lot of these ideas came from as well as the Sumerians and Babylonia first.
.

Again why just Christianity?

Also what is "credible religion"? What makes one more "credible" then another?

Let's start again then....I said "there is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias" and you said ."What about Galileo for one?"
I replied that the Roman Church is not a credible religion...implying that Galileo had a right to call them out on a matter of science that they had no authoritive expertize.. What am I missing?

I don't care what you have read....your comment about Rev shows you are ignorant of its contents,,,.

I'm not against the teachings of Christ, but not for apostate churches....

A credible religion is one that teaches about the possibility of transcendence of awareness...we are not talking personality though....

 

[shawn001]

Let's start again then....I said "there is no place in credible religion for injecting one's personal scientific bias" and you said ."What about for one?"
I replied that the Roman Church is not a credible religion...implying that Galileo had a right to call them out on a matter of science that they had no authoritive expertize.. What am I missing?

I don't care what you have read....your comment about Rev shows you are ignorant of its contents,,,.

I'm not against the teachings of Christ, but not for apostate churches....

A credible religion is one that teaches about the possibility of transcendence of awareness...we are not talking personality though....

Okay got it and am clear on what you meant with Galileo and the church. Although weird way of going about it instead of how you just clarified it.


"I don't care what you have read....your comment about Rev shows you are ignorant of its contents,,"

Au contraire

"I'm not against the teachings of Christ,"

why this comment to me?


"A credible religion is one that teaches about the possibility of transcendence of awareness."

Where does that definition come from?