Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning

[shawn001]

The old CMBR.....it's a measure of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) Radiation that provides the temperature signature that GR theory scientists consider is the leftover heat from the BB. But ESA's Planck satellite provided the most detailed CMB map ever in 2013, and some anomalies appear that challenge the standard model.

ESA Science & Technology: Simple but challenging: the Universe according to Planck

Okay, here is a big problem.

There is NO "old CMBR"

First is was predicted by the Big Bang theory.

Then it was actually discovered by Bell Labs doing work on Microwaves, but they didn't know until later the physicists has predicted it with the big bang theory.

Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson
Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ

The Large Horn Antenna and the Discovery of Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation
"As part of the APS historic sites initiative, on December 9, 2008, APS Vice-President Curtis Callan presented a plaque to Bell Labs to commemorate the discovery of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) that provided evidence for the Big Bang. Bell Labs radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson were using a large horn antenna in 1964 and 1965 to map signals from the Milky Way, when they serendipitously discovered the CMB. As written in the citation, "This unexpected discovery, offering strong evidence that the universe began with the Big Bang, ushered in experimental cosmology." Penzias and Wilson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1978 in honor of their findings.

The CMB is "noise" leftover from the creation of the Universe. The microwave radiation is only 3 degrees above Absolute Zero or -270 degrees C,1 and is uniformly perceptible from all directions. Its presence demonstrates that that our universe began in an extremely hot and violent explosion, called the Big Bang, 13.7 billion years ago."

"
In 1960, Bell Labs built a 20-foot horn-shaped antenna in Holmdel, NJ to be used with an early satellite system called Echo. The intention was to collect and amplify radio signals to send them across long distances, but within a few years, another satellite was launched and Echo became obsolete.2

With the antenna no longer tied to commercial applications, it was now free for research. Penzias and Wilson jumped at the chance to use it to analyze radio signals from the spaces between galaxies.3 But when they began to employ it, they encountered a persistent "noise" of microwaves that came from every direction. If they were to conduct experiments with the antenna, they would have to find a way to remove the static.

Penzias and Wilson tested everything they could think of to rule out the source of the radiation racket. They knew it wasn’t radiation from the Milky Way or extraterrestrial radio sources. They pointed the antenna towards New York City to rule out "urban interference", and did analysis to dismiss possible military testing from their list.4

Then they found droppings of pigeons nesting in the antenna. They cleaned out the mess and tried removing the birds and discouraging them from roosting, but they kept flying back. "To get rid of them, we finally found the most humane thing was to get a shot gun…and at very close range [we] just killed them instantly. It’s not something I’m happy about, but that seemed like the only way out of our dilemma," said Penzias.5 "And so the pigeons left with a smaller bang, but the noise remained, coming from every direction."6

At the same time, the two astronomers learned that Princeton University physicist Robert Dicke had predicted that if the Big Bang had occurred, there would be low level radiation found throughout the universe. Dicke was about to design an experiment to test this hypothesis when he was contacted by Penzias. Upon hearing of Penzias’ and Wilson’s discovery, Dicke turned to his laboratory colleagues and said "well boys, we’ve been scooped."7

Although both groups published their results in Astrophysical Journal Letters, only Penzias and Wilson received the Nobel Prize for the discovery of the CMB.

The horn antenna was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1990. Its significance in fostering a new appreciation for the field of cosmology and a better understanding of our origins can be summed up by the following: "Scientists have labeled the discovery [of the CMB] the greatest scientific discovery of the 20th century."8

Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson - Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ


Then came the BOOMERanG experiment


Then Cobe

"NASA's COBE (Cosmic Bakground Explorer) satellite was developed to measure the diffuxe infrared and cosmic microwave background radiation from the early Universe to the limits set by our astrophysical environment."

COBE - Cosmic Background Explorer


Then Wmap

Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe

Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP)


Then Planck

Planck / Space Science / Our Activities / ESA

All taking better measurements and using better technology to get finer detail.

"Radiation that provides the temperature signature"

Its gives that data and a lot more!

"that GR theory scientists consider is the leftover heat from the BB"

No they don't considered it, they know it for a fact. Its the relic light frozen in time of the BB.

"
Scientific American
When this cosmic background light was released billions of
years ago, it was as hot and bright as the surface of a star.
The expansion of the universe, however, has stretched space by a
factor of a thousand since then. The wavelength of the light has
stretched with it into the microwave part of the electromagnetic
spectrum

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...hat-is-the-cos mic-microw

and

LAMBDA is a part of NASA's High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Research Center (HEASARC). This site is a multi-mission NASA center of expertise for cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation research; it provides CMB researchers with archive data from cosmology missions, software tools, and links to other sites of interest. As a resource for the CMB community, your suggestions are encouraged.

LAMBDA exists to serve the CMB research community, and the greater cosmological research community. In particular, LAMBDA:

• develops and maintains data archives
• develops and maintains data access and analysis tools
• offers scientific expertise on NASA's CMB missions
• carries out data-intensive processing of vital importance to NASA's CMB community
• conducts education and outreach efforts aimed at the general public.

There is no cost involved in the use of LAMBDA. However, if your research benefits from its use then we request that you include the following acknowledgement in your publications:

"We acknowledge the use of the Legacy Archive for Microwave Background Data Analysis (LAMBDA), part of the High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Center (HEASARC). HEASARC/LAMBDA is a service of the Astrophysics Science Division at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center."

If you are not a researcher, you may still find interesting information on the WMAP Public Site and our theory site links.

LAMBDA - Legacy Archive for Microwave Background Data


"But ESA's Planck satellite provided the most detailed CMB map ever in 2013, and some anomalies appear that challenge the standard model. "


Yes and they also supported inflation and there are anomalies they need to figure out, but they were also looking for multiverses in the heat signature and have not found them, in fact the case for some models got worse. Penrose also looked for a signature and did not find it yet.


One thing to take note of is that is the light of the big bang frozen in time. As the universe expands at some point you won't be able to study it either. The universe is expanding faster then light.

The inflation model goes more back to a singularity perhaps, but that still doesn't rule out multiverses.

and you did notice the title?

New data from the Planck satellite suggests very good news for proponents of the standard Big Bang cosmological model of the universe.

 

[suncowiam]

Oh....hows that for synchronicity wrt my last post....here is a new paper that concludes...understanding of physics is incomplete.....and that science will likely need a new idea as profound as general relativity to explain these mysteries and require more powerful observations and experiments to light the path toward our new insights.

When you think about it....science so far is only knows and experiments directly with stuff that only comprises 5% of the Universe....and yet there are some poor souls who think that the science is settled and there is no mysteries left to discover. My advice...keep your mind open....the 95% unknown part will bring about great changes to present understanding as the veil of its mystery is lifted...

The dark side of cosmology: Dark matter and dark energy

Here's a simple question.

If you came down with a life threatning disease, will you turn to science or religion for a cure?

I bet most people will turn to science to solve their pragmatic and real world issues.

People easily forget or simply do not know how much science they are actually dependent on.

I feel that you like many other religious folks are afraid that science will prove religion wrong some day. It already has proven certain aspects of religion to be false so why should it stop there.

I frankly don't care what science will prove concerning religion. If it proves a God, then I will believe in a God. However, science is not blind faith. And I am not believing due to blind faith.

I am believing through the hard work of countless of individuals through systematic processes and advanced technological tools they use to validate their work. Colliders are some of the biggest and most expensive tools to continue research of the universe.

Billions of dollars are invested into the private and public sectors to continue innovation and research. Some of the greatest minds dedicate themselves in these advancement.

Considering all the resources that are spent, one can consider how important science is to humanity.

Although, you probably are technically correct that science has only proven say 5% of the universe. The 5% that we've proven has benefitted us exponentially over the previous decades. And what will get us the remaining 95% you should ask? It will be science and science alone.

 

[shawn001]

Wmap also found a cold spot


Sep 19, 2007

WMAP's cold spot shows giant void in space
An enormous void, nearly a thousand million light-years across, seems to be at the origin of a cold spot that the Wilkinson microwave anisotropy probe (WMAP) has found in the cosmic microwave background (CMB). This region, largely empty of galaxies and dark matter, is much larger than voids observed or predicted using computer simulations.

WMAP's cold spot shows giant void in space - CERN Courier

 

[shawn001]

actually sorry for the wall of text,

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It not my reading skill the problem.

The whole purpose of this thread of yours, was that the Big Bang theory has been replaced by Das' hypothesis about the eternal universe, the multiverse, and your own little spin to sneak the "divine" into the subject.

You have brought up QR and QM clashing with each other, and you have brought up how dark matter have "seem" to have been the answer to Das' paper.

You rebuke me for not reading the original article with about Das' new so-called "theory", when I didn't bring up dark matter...and now you are rebuking me for talking about dark matter and Das' model, for not talking of Spergel's article.

So far I have been moderately patient with you, but you are trying my bloody patience when you keep moving the goal post on me. That's my problem I am having right now.

Do you really want us talk about dark matter relating to Das' model?

Or do you want to talk about dark matter without relating to Das at all?

I can do one or the other, but if you want the later, I will do so, if you would please start another fri@##ng bloody new thread.

I agree we are not in sync, let me try an help...the Das paper suggests an infinite universe...I think we both agree this is so and we both agree it is not settled science...

As well I would suggest that if contemporary science does not yet know what 95% of the universe is technically, then science still has an interesting goal and future...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Okay, here is a big problem.

There is NO "old CMBR"

First is was predicted by the Big Bang theory.

Then it was actually discovered by Bell Labs doing work on Microwaves, but they didn't know until later the physicists has predicted it with the big bang theory.

Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson
Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ

The Large Horn Antenna and the Discovery of Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation
"As part of the APS historic sites initiative, on December 9, 2008, APS Vice-President Curtis Callan presented a plaque to Bell Labs to commemorate the discovery of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) that provided evidence for the Big Bang. Bell Labs radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson were using a large horn antenna in 1964 and 1965 to map signals from the Milky Way, when they serendipitously discovered the CMB. As written in the citation, "This unexpected discovery, offering strong evidence that the universe began with the Big Bang, ushered in experimental cosmology." Penzias and Wilson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1978 in honor of their findings.

The CMB is "noise" leftover from the creation of the Universe. The microwave radiation is only 3 degrees above Absolute Zero or -270 degrees C,1 and is uniformly perceptible from all directions. Its presence demonstrates that that our universe began in an extremely hot and violent explosion, called the Big Bang, 13.7 billion years ago."

"
In 1960, Bell Labs built a 20-foot horn-shaped antenna in Holmdel, NJ to be used with an early satellite system called Echo. The intention was to collect and amplify radio signals to send them across long distances, but within a few years, another satellite was launched and Echo became obsolete.2

With the antenna no longer tied to commercial applications, it was now free for research. Penzias and Wilson jumped at the chance to use it to analyze radio signals from the spaces between galaxies.3 But when they began to employ it, they encountered a persistent "noise" of microwaves that came from every direction. If they were to conduct experiments with the antenna, they would have to find a way to remove the static.

Penzias and Wilson tested everything they could think of to rule out the source of the radiation racket. They knew it wasn’t radiation from the Milky Way or extraterrestrial radio sources. They pointed the antenna towards New York City to rule out "urban interference", and did analysis to dismiss possible military testing from their list.4

Then they found droppings of pigeons nesting in the antenna. They cleaned out the mess and tried removing the birds and discouraging them from roosting, but they kept flying back. "To get rid of them, we finally found the most humane thing was to get a shot gun…and at very close range [we] just killed them instantly. It’s not something I’m happy about, but that seemed like the only way out of our dilemma," said Penzias.5 "And so the pigeons left with a smaller bang, but the noise remained, coming from every direction."6

At the same time, the two astronomers learned that Princeton University physicist Robert Dicke had predicted that if the Big Bang had occurred, there would be low level radiation found throughout the universe. Dicke was about to design an experiment to test this hypothesis when he was contacted by Penzias. Upon hearing of Penzias’ and Wilson’s discovery, Dicke turned to his laboratory colleagues and said "well boys, we’ve been scooped."7

Although both groups published their results in Astrophysical Journal Letters, only Penzias and Wilson received the Nobel Prize for the discovery of the CMB.

The horn antenna was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1990. Its significance in fostering a new appreciation for the field of cosmology and a better understanding of our origins can be summed up by the following: "Scientists have labeled the discovery [of the CMB] the greatest scientific discovery of the 20th century."8

Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson - Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ


Then came the BOOMERanG experiment


Then Cobe

"NASA's COBE (Cosmic Bakground Explorer) satellite was developed to measure the diffuxe infrared and cosmic microwave background radiation from the early Universe to the limits set by our astrophysical environment."

COBE - Cosmic Background Explorer


Then Wmap

Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe

Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP)


Then Planck

Planck / Space Science / Our Activities / ESA

All taking better measurements and using better technology to get finer detail.

"Radiation that provides the temperature signature"

Its gives that data and a lot more!

"that GR theory scientists consider is the leftover heat from the BB"

No they don't considered it, they know it for a fact. Its the relic light frozen in time of the BB.

"
Scientific American
When this cosmic background light was released billions of
years ago, it was as hot and bright as the surface of a star.
The expansion of the universe, however, has stretched space by a
factor of a thousand since then. The wavelength of the light has
stretched with it into the microwave part of the electromagnetic
spectrum

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...hat-is-the-cos mic-microw

and

LAMBDA is a part of NASA's High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Research Center (HEASARC). This site is a multi-mission NASA center of expertise for cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation research; it provides CMB researchers with archive data from cosmology missions, software tools, and links to other sites of interest. As a resource for the CMB community, your suggestions are encouraged.

LAMBDA exists to serve the CMB research community, and the greater cosmological research community. In particular, LAMBDA:

• develops and maintains data archives
• develops and maintains data access and analysis tools
• offers scientific expertise on NASA's CMB missions
• carries out data-intensive processing of vital importance to NASA's CMB community
• conducts education and outreach efforts aimed at the general public.

There is no cost involved in the use of LAMBDA. However, if your research benefits from its use then we request that you include the following acknowledgement in your publications:

"We acknowledge the use of the Legacy Archive for Microwave Background Data Analysis (LAMBDA), part of the High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Center (HEASARC). HEASARC/LAMBDA is a service of the Astrophysics Science Division at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center."

If you are not a researcher, you may still find interesting information on the WMAP Public Site and our theory site links.

LAMBDA - Legacy Archive for Microwave Background Data


"But ESA's Planck satellite provided the most detailed CMB map ever in 2013, and some anomalies appear that challenge the standard model. "


Yes and they also supported inflation and there are anomalies they need to figure out, but they were also looking for multiverses in the heat signature and have not found them, in fact the case for some models got worse. Penrose also looked for a signature and did not find it yet.


One thing to take note of is that is the light of the big bang frozen in time. As the universe expands at some point you won't be able to study it either. The universe is expanding faster then light.

The inflation model goes more back to a singularity perhaps, but that still doesn't rule out multiverses.

and you did notice the title?

New data from the Planck satellite suggests very good news for proponents of the standard Big Bang cosmological model of the universe.

I mean by old...pre-Planck satellite data.. The new CMB Planck satellite data shows that the science of CMB is not settled....there are anomalies, asymmetries, and holes in the new CMB map.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Here's a simple question.

If you came down with a life threatning disease, will you turn to science or religion for a cure?

I bet most people will turn to science to solve their pragmatic and real world issues.

People easily forget or simply do not know how much science they are actually dependent on.

I feel that you like many other religious folks are afraid that science will prove religion wrong some day. It already has proven certain aspects of religion to be false so why should it stop there.

I frankly don't care what science will prove concerning religion. If it proves a God, then I will believe in a God. However, science is not blind faith. And I am not believing due to blind faith.

I am believing through the hard work of countless of individuals through systematic processes and advanced technological tools they use to validate their work. Colliders are some of the biggest and most expensive tools to continue research of the universe.

Billions of dollars are invested into the private and public sectors to continue innovation and research. Some of the greatest minds dedicate themselves in these advancement.

Considering all the resources that are spent, one can consider how important science is to humanity.

Although, you probably are technically correct that science has only proven say 5% of the universe. The 5% that we've proven has benefitted us exponentially over the previous decades. And what will get us the remaining 95% you should ask? It will be science and science alone.

I like your synopsis of the common sense reasonable approach wrt scientific application to benefit society, but my purpose is to try and to take it one step further to try and overcome mental laziness and inertia and keep the forward momentum going in all scientific disciplines. This thread reads like so many before it....people who had read the latest science of say 10, 20, 40 years ago have it in their minds that they know it all and resist or reject any challenges to the orthodoxy of their time...

Monkey see...monkey do...they read and follow only that stuff that resonates with their outdated understanding. The space age is already upon us and if you see how technological innovations are unfolding faster than the education can reorganize their curriculum, the inertia problem is a difficult one. On this thread for example...note the reaction to my posting and bringing to their attention new scientific papers that challenge the old...this is the inertia I am talking about..

 

[shawn001]

I mean by old...pre-Planck satellite data.. The new CMB Planck satellite data shows that the science of CMB is not settled....there are anomalies, asymmetries, and holes in the new CMB map.

What the CMB actually is though, the light frozen in time of the Big Bang is settled.

 

[shawn001]

I like your synopsis of the common sense reasonable approach wrt scientific application to benefit society, but my purpose is to try and to take it one step further to try and overcome mental laziness and inertia and keep the forward momentum going in all scientific disciplines. This thread reads like so many before it....people who had read the latest science of say 10, 20, 40 years ago have it in their minds that they know it all and resist or reject any challenges to the orthodoxy of their time...

Monkey see...monkey do...they read and follow only that stuff that resonates with their outdated understanding. The space age is already upon us and if you see how technological innovations are unfolding faster than the education can reorganize their curriculum, the inertia problem is a difficult one. On this thread for example...note the reaction to my posting and bringing to their attention new scientific papers that challenge the old...this is the inertia I am talking about..

I am working on a space program and work with many people in the fields and keep up to date on astronomy and cosmology, as much as possible while doing so.

 

[shawn001]

I mean by old...pre-Planck satellite data.. The new CMB Planck satellite data shows that the science of CMB is not settled....there are anomalies, asymmetries, and holes in the new CMB map.

Yes there is more science to be learned from it for sure, but your not pointing out here what it is also supporting as well in the standard model and that is bias on your part. Its not helping to support some multiverse theories that have been proposed.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What the CMB actually is though, the light frozen in time of the Big Bang is settled.

Haha....only in your belief.. It may be considered as the best present theoretical interpretation, but it is still just an interpretation.

And you did not address my point...why is the cause of the anomalies seen in the Planck CMBR map?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am working on a space program and work with many people in the fields and keep up to date on astronomy and cosmology, as much as possible while doing so.

So what...I worked in the space industry too....earth remote sensing ground station, satellite tracking, telemetry, and command stations, satellite coms stations...aerospace, radar, avionics, etc.. I'm retired now but that was my working life...

In what capacity do you work and where?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes there is more science to be learned from it for sure, but your not pointing out here what it is also supporting as well in the standard model and that is bias on your part. Its not helping to support some multiverse theories that have been proposed.

Oh I see you have allowed that there is more to be learned....the science is not settled then. Hey, I only speak what I understand, my mind is always open and I have infinite patience to see how new scientific findings help to reveal the underlying reality of our universe. But as of now, science can only deal with 5% of it...how can there be settled science wrt big picture with that limitation...

 

[shawn001]

Haha....only in your belief.. It may be considered as the best present theoretical interpretation, but it is still just an interpretation.

And you did not address my point...why is the cause of the anomalies seen in the Planck CMBR map?

I am totally amazed you don't know that is the light left over from the big bang frozen in time for a fact, it comes at the Earth from every direction in the universe. It seems you don't understand what it is yet or the history or all the things it has taught us already.

"The accidental discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation is a major development in modern physical cosmology. Although predicted by earlier theories, it was first found accidentally by Arno Penzias and Robert Woodrow Wilson as they experimented with the Holmdel Horn Antenna. The discovery was evidence for an expanding universe, (big bang theory) and was evidence against the steady state model. In 1978, Penzias and Wilson were awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics for their joint discovery."

Discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"
Tests of Big Bang: The CMB
The Big Bang theory predicts that the early universe was a very hot place and that as it expands, the gas within it cools. Thus the universe should be filled with radiation that is literally the remnant heat left over from the Big Bang, called the “cosmic microwave background", or CMB.

DISCOVERY OF THE COSMIC MICROWAVE BACKGROUND
The existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph Alpherin 1948 in connection with his research on Big Bang Nucleosynthesis undertaken together with Robert Herman and George Gamow. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they immediately realized that the CMB had been found. The result was a pair of papers in the Astrophysical Journal (vol. 142 of 1965): one by Penzias and Wilson detailing the observations, and one by Dicke, Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson giving the cosmological interpretation. Penzias and Wilson shared the 1978 Nobel prize in physics for their discovery.

Today, the CMB radiation is very cold, only 2.725° above absolute zero, thus this radiation shines primarily in the microwave portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, and is invisible to the naked eye. However, it fills the universe and can be detected everywhere we look. In fact, if we could see microwaves, the entire sky would glow with a brightness that was astonishingly uniform in every direction. The picture at left shows a false color depiction of the temperature (brightness) of the CMB over the full sky (projected onto an oval, similar to a map of the Earth). The temperature is uniform to better than one part in a thousand! This uniformity is one compelling reason to interpret the radiation as remnant heat from the Big Bang; it would be very difficult to imagine a local source of radiation that was this uniform. In fact, many scientists have tried to devise alternative explanations for the source of this radiation, but none have succeeded.

Since light travels at a finite speed, astronomers observing distant objects are looking into the past. Most of the stars that are visible to the naked eye in the night sky are 10 to 100 light years away. Thus, we see them as they were 10 to 100 years ago. We observe Andromeda, the nearest big galaxy, as it was about 2.5 million years ago. Astronomers observing distant galaxies with the Hubble Space Telescope can see them as they were only a few billion years after the Big Bang.

The CMB radiation was emitted 13.7 billion years ago, only a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang, long before stars or galaxies ever existed. Thus, by studying the detailed physical properties of the radiation, we can learn about conditions in the universe on very large scales at very early times, since the radiation we see today has traveled over such a large distance.

WMAP Big Bang CMB Test

Its not a belief, it was predicted and then found,, its not a theoretical interpretation. Its not light from a star, supernova, galaxy, in fact it became all of the latter. It also show when there was recombination.

"And you did not address my point...why is the cause of the anomalies seen in the Planck CMBR map?""

Yes, I did if you actually go back and read what I posted. The cause of the " anomalies seen in BOTH the Wmap and Planck are not fully known yet.


So tell me what is the source of the CMB?

 

[shawn001]

Oh I see you have allowed that there is more to be learned....the science is not settled then. Hey, I only speak what I understand, my mind is always open and I have infinite patience to see how new scientific findings help to reveal the underlying reality of our universe. But as of now, science can only deal with 5% of it...how can there be settled science wrt big picture with that limitation...

Your talking the five percent matter and Planck showed a little more then that and that is kindof misleading as well.

"Oh I see you have allowed that there is more to be learned."

You should know in science there is always more to be learned, but there is also things we have already learned. Basic science.

"my mind is always open and I have infinite patience to see how new scientific findings help to reveal the underlying reality of our universe."

Which is GREAT!

 

[shawn001]

So what...I worked in the space industry too....earth remote sensing ground station, satellite tracking, telemetry, and command stations, satellite coms stations...aerospace, radar, avionics, etc.. I'm retired now but that was my working life...

In what capacity do you work and where?

I saw you mention that was the work you did and are now retired. I was agreeing on new technologies and being cutting edge and for the benefit space exploration and new technology brings benefits everyday to all humans, even if they don't know it or realize it.

 

[shawn001]

I am the CEO and founder of Enterprise In Space.

 

[shawn001]

Ben, I am very interested in Multiverses and think perhaps we may find evidence, but so far that has not been the case and the other problem is finding a solution to QM theory on the small scale and cosmology on a large scale to totally match and that has not been accomplished yet.

These new anomalies in the Planck data


Cosmologists at odds over mysterious anomalies in data from early Universe
Planck satellite's picture of cosmic microwave background needs correction, some researchers argue.

"A new analysis of data on the infant universe released earlier this year indicates that the initial findings are more in line with the standard cosmological picture than had originally been thought."

"
Although the differences were slight, cosmologist David Spergel of Princeton University in New Jersey was intrigued. “Planck is so precise that even small discrepancies become interesting,” he notes. The initial findings, he says, suggested one of three possibilities: Either the standard cosmological model might have to be modified; or a host of different astronomical studies were incorrect; or some systematic error in the Planck data had not been accounted for.

A new analysis of the Planck data by Spergel, Renée Hložek of Princeton and Raphael Flauger of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton and New York University indicates that the problem lies with the Planck sky map data recorded at a radio frequency of 217 gigahertz. When they removed the 217-GHz data from the maps and relied on two lower frequencies, 100 and 143 GHz, the results essentially fell in line with previous CMB and other astrophysical studies, including NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP). Spergel had led the analysis for that mission."

Cosmologists at odds over mysterious anomalies in data from early Universe : Nature News & Comment


Of course this has already passed but its recorded>


Scientists to Discuss Universe's Strange Dense Spot Wednesday: Watch Live

Scientists to Discuss Universe's Strange Dense Spot Wednesday: Watch Live


Spotlight Live: A New Baby Picture of the Universe

"
THIS SPRING, scientists confirmed that in the relic radiation left over from the Big Bang (otherwise called the Cosmic Microwave Background), there are certain large scale features they cannot readily explain. In fact, because of this finding, we may need to modify, amend or even fundamentally change our description of the universe's first moments.

On July 31, three leading members of the Planck research team -- George Efstathiou and Anthony Lasenby of the Kavli Institute for Cosmology at the University of Cambridge, and Krzysztof Gorski, Senior Research Scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA, and faculty member at the Warsaw University Observatory in Poland -- answered questions about what was found and what this means to our understanding of the universe.

Spotlight Live: A New Baby Picture of the Universe | The Kavli Foundation

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am the CEO and founder of Enterprise In Space.

The only Enterprise In Space hit I had was the NSS project of that name {and btw, coincidentally, I was the treasurer of the Queensland Chapter of the Australian NSS many moons ago).

So can you provide us with your company's website?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So tell me what is the source of the CMB?

Like all electromagnetic radiation in existence, it is the result of some sort of EM radiation generation process, and in this case it is the omnipresent EM radiation as measured in the microwave portion of the EM spectrum.....remember QM has also discovered that EM radiation is omnipresent in decreasing wavelengths to the infinitesimally small of the vacuum zpe, so it is not unique.

Since this a Science and Religion forum....here are a list of concepts that are all described as being omnipresent...

CMB/R Astronomy, GR
Vacuum ZPE Science, QM
Spirit Religion
Higg's Field Particle Physics
Aether Science, Metaphysics
Dark Energy Astronomy, Science

Seems to me that the different disciplines are all describing the omnipresence through the filter of their respective specialization, and the result is like the story of the blind men describing the elephant...I presume you are familiar with it..