Big bang theory?

[Dirty Penguin]

I don't think He's a mind reader. We are free beings to do what we want. It's a choice.

Then you are backing up my position that this god is not omniscient. The characteristics of this god as told to us and/or displayed in those scriptures say it is. If it isn't omniscient then I also have to questions it's omnipotence which leads me to the conclusion that gods are man made. Gods are mentally constructed in order to provide an answer to the unknown.

 

[Know it all.]

Then you are backing up my position that this god is not omniscient. The characteristics of this god as told to us and/or displayed in those scriptures say it is. If it isn't omniscient then I also have to questions it's omnipotence which leads me to the conclusion that gods are man made. Gods are mentally constructed in order to provide an answer to the unknown.

The scriptures do not say that "God" is "omnipotent" nor infallible as those are people's projections.

The Bible tells of the God making mistakes and having blunders as in example Mankind falling away from the intended plans.

So you are half right in seeing that people visions and claims of God are indeed man made and false but that does not mean the God is unreal based on ignorant people.

The "Big Bang" is a scientific proof of a creation day and thereby it is a big pointer to a creator that is not properly defined by religions.

:angel2:

 

[tumbleweed41]

The "Big Bang" is a scientific proof of a creation day and thereby it is a big pointer to a creator that is not properly defined by religions.

That would be a huge stretch of the imagination.
You do understand that the "Big Bang" is actually still occurring?
So when was that Creation Day?
In the second Planck time?
In the first second?
The first solar year?
8 Billion years after the Planck epoch? (The formation of our Solar System)

 

[Onlooker]

Then you are backing up my position that this god is not omniscient. The characteristics of this god as told to us and/or displayed in those scriptures say it is. If it isn't omniscient then I also have to questions it's omnipotence which leads me to the conclusion that gods are man made. Gods are mentally constructed in order to provide an answer to the unknown.

How can you quantify a "Creator" who is greater than you? That is to say, He is at least 1 dimension greater that you , the creation.

 

[Onlooker]

That would be a huge stretch of the imagination.
You do understand that the "Big Bang" is actually still occurring?
So when was that Creation Day?
In the second Planck time?
In the first second?
The first solar year?
8 Billion years after the Planck epoch? (The formation of our Solar System)

That's a great question. A Dr. of physics hashed out a great article that may answer some questions. PennyKay may like this.Age of the Universe
Remember, "no amount of experimentation can ever prove me right, a single experiment can prove me wrong" A. Einstein

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here's your sign....from a post long ago....

Quote out of context I see.

I ask my questions because the statement was "Out of God's thought's the universe is created"

I was trying to get an understanding as to how one can presume to know this. Why does this god think? If such a god is omnipotent/omniscient then why is thought needed?

I know that this is more of a philosophical question than anything else. I view your god as above all that is human. This god should not be an angry, vengeful or regretful god or a "thinking" god.

 

[Thief]

Quote out of context I see.

Not really.

I ask my questions because the statement was "Out of God's thought's the universe is created"

I was trying to get an understanding as to how one can presume to know this. Why does this god think? If such a god is omnipotent/omniscient then why is thought needed?

I know that this is more of a philosophical question than anything else. I view your god as above all that is human. This god should not be an angry, vengeful or regretful god or a "thinking" god.

I believe in God as Creator, because of the long standing....
For every effect there is a cause.
For every cause there is an effect.

All things at rest...stay that way....until acted upon.

As for God having thought....I think...therefore..."I AM".

It would be difficult to pronounce these words before the 'big bang'.

As for God having strong emotion....
Are you attempting to restrain a deity...beyond restraint?

I would offer....it's a good thing He can restrain Himself at all.
He's been known to refrain the evil He would do.
also to change His method of 'the evil He would do'.

Is God evil?...let's hope not.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The scriptures do not say that "God" is "omnipotent" .....

Yes they do. Your scripture imply he can do what he wants and is all powerful/all ruling.

See.
Isa. 32:17
Luke 1:37
Rev. 19:6

I'm too lazy to look for more right now.

The Bible tells of the God making mistakes and having blunders as in example Mankind falling away from the intended plans.

I'm not sure that understanding of those points in the scriptures is meant it should be taken literally.

So you are half right in seeing that people visions and claims of God are indeed man made and false but that does not mean the God is unreal based on ignorant people.

While this may be part of my understanding this was not what I said. I maintain that the whole concept of the existence of gods is man made. Not just the obvious claims made by the religious that their god is in communication with them.

The "Big Bang" is a scientific proof of a creation day and thereby it is a big pointer to a creator that is not properly defined by religions.

The "big Bang Theory" has nothing to do with "proof". Proof is normally reserved for math and not science. Even so, the BBT has nothing to do with the biblical creation day. This is strictly interpretation of scripture and trying to fit it into an established theory.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

How can you quantify a "Creator" who is greater than you? That is to say, He is at least 1 dimension greater that you , the creation.

I'm simply commenting on what the scriptures say and what the believers believe and say. If one says "Out of God's thoughts, the universe was created." then I'm curious as to how one knows that a god is capable of thought and if a god (The biblical god per se) is capable of thought then how can it be omniscient....It may be more of a philosophical question but I do find it interesting none the less.

 

[outhouse]

If one says "Out of God's thoughts, the universe was created

The imagination of homo sapiens we are still so primitive

 

[Vansdad]

Simple question:

What is a creationists understanding of the big bang theory?

Out of God's thoughts, the universe was created.

So here is where I originally posted this in response to the original question. There are endless mathematical formulas that connect the universe. It means that God has the knowledge of how the universe works and it is this knowledge itself that created the universe. It is kind of a metaphor for something we cannot truly understand. As with alot of things concerning God.

 

[Onlooker]

I'm simply commenting on what the scriptures say and what the believers believe and say. If one says "Out of God's thoughts, the universe was created." then I'm curious as to how one knows that a god is capable of thought and if a god (The biblical god per se) is capable of thought then how can it be omniscient....It may be more of a philosophical question but I do find it interesting none the less.

It is a great question. I still think if you are going with the concept that the believers have a God that is greater then themselves, then by definition of being greater, God must be all we are capable of and more.

 

[outhouse]

how did religion ever get involved with how the universe was formed?

because science doesnt have all the answers people have to run for imagination in ole magic man

disappointing really

 

[McBell]

how did religion ever get involved with how the universe was formed?

because science doesnt have all the answers people have to run for imagination in ole magic man

disappointing really

Well, I suppose it helped them to pass the time on those long cold lonely nights.
That and the flock of sheep nearby...

 

[Vansdad]

how did religion ever get involved with how the universe was formed?

because science doesnt have all the answers people have to run for imagination in ole magic man

disappointing really

Religion was just trying to interpret the feelings that people already had about their belief in a Creator.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Religion was just trying to interpret the feelings that people already had about their belief in a Creator.

This sounds really similar to my signature below.....and it's what I said a few pages ago....

 

[Thief]

This sounds really similar to my signature below.....and it's what I said a few pages ago....

Quoting a fictional character from a science fiction movie?

And you complained earlier of alleged 'out of context' on my part?

 

[Thief]

how did religion ever get involved with how the universe was formed?

It started along time before you were born.

because science doesnt have all the answers people have to run for imagination in ole magic man

More correctly...science doesn't have all the answers.

disappointing really

Yes....it is.

And some day you will realize....
your cry for proof will go unanswered.

And you will be stuck making your best choice....on faith.

 

[McBell]

And some day you will realize....
your cry for proof will go unanswered.

Save the drama for your mama.

And you will be stuck making your best choice....on faith.

If not believing in something because there is no evidence for it is Faith, then so be it.
We can play the game with your humpty dumpty.

 

[Thief]

Save the drama for your mama.


If not believing in something because there is no evidence for it is Faith, then so be it.
We can play the game with your humpty dumpty.

Name your stakes.

I could be the devil for all you know.