Thief
Rogue Theologian
Let's see....
Religious Education forum/ Religious topics/ Religious debates/ Science versus Religion/ Big Bang Theory.....
And you were hoping to leave God out of it?
You'll need magic for that.
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Big bang theory?
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Let's see....
Religious Education forum/ Religious topics/ Religious debates/ Science versus Religion/ Big Bang Theory.....
And you were hoping to leave God out of it?
You'll need magic for that.
outhouse
Atheistically
god has no place in science he never did and never will
science exist with evidence and facts
thast more then you can say for the god myth
DeistPrimate
Member
Wishful thinking of the ancient Jews (they did that a lot what with all the stories of them impacting Egypt when in reality they weren't even noticed by that mighty Pagan empire) and a major example of self-fulfilling prophecy.
DeistPrimate
Member
I do think it's somewhat within topic given the context of this forum to debate claims of anachronistic knowledge from religious scripture concerning the Big Bang.
It's just ridiculous, there is no evidence for such information in Genesis. Birds coming before land animals, etc...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Did I not say so?.....
No equations ....no experiments....
Your science can't go there.
You probably won't either.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I do think it's somewhat within topic given the context of this forum to debate claims of anachronistic knowledge from religious scripture concerning the Big Bang.
It's just ridiculous, there is no evidence for such information in Genesis. Birds coming before land animals, etc...
Yeah....
But Genesis wasn't written as a science book.
It was simply God's declaration to being....God.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
outhouse
Atheistically
god did not write genesis ,,,,,, [insert double facepalm here]
it was written by at a minimum of 5 different authors over hundreds of years after being told orally for hundreds of years. These fictitious fables were taken from egypt and sumerian cultures as well as others and twisted to meet the ancient hebrews needs and language. The ancient hebrew people were tribes, they had nothing of there own and needed a religion when there civilization grew large enough to need one. They created the religion and the mythical angry jealous god in my opinion.
Distribution of materials of Jahwist, Elohist and Priestly sources, as well as Redactor's contribution in the first four books, following Richard Friedman.
For much of the 20th century Wellhausen's hypothesis formed the framework within which the origins of the Pentateuch were discussed, and even the Vatican came to urge that "light derived from recent research" not be neglected by Catholic scholars, urging them especially to pay attention to "the sources written or oral" and "the forms of expression" used by the "sacred writer".[41] Some important modifications were introduced, notably by Albrecht Alt and Martin Noth, who argued for the oral transmission of ancient core beliefs—guidance out of Egypt, conquest of the Promised Land, covenants, revelation at Sinai/Horeb, etc.[42] Simultaneously, the work of the American Biblical archaeology school under William F. Albright seemed to confirm that even if Genesis and Exodus were only given their final form in the first millennium BC, they were still firmly grounded in the material reality of the second millennium.[43] The overall effect of such refinements was to aid the wider acceptance of the basic hypothesis by reassuring believers that even if the final form of the Pentateuch was late and not due to Moses himself, it was nevertheless possible to recover a credible picture of the period of Moses and of the patriarchal age. Hence, although challenged by scholars such as Umberto Cassuto, opposition to the documentary hypothesis gradually waned, and by the mid-twentieth century it was almost universally accepted.[44]
Documentary hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
make no mistake,, ,moses work is a patchwork of wishfull thinking and want
Educated people, scholars and historians came up with this information
Can you refute these with something other then your imagination????? or a question???
LOOK you can go about this educated or not, here is both sides of the story so that your not so ignorant to the facts at hand
The Straight Dope: Who wrote the Bible? (Part 1)
Timeline of Old Testament History
Thief
Rogue Theologian
This is the only part worthy of a rebuttal.
I don't care who wrote it.
Genesis will not be dismissed regardless of who wrote it.
I can't make it go away...neither will you.
outhouse
Atheistically
genesis is dismissed.
it is a fable, a myth. Nothing more.
there was no flood
god did not create man in 1 day or any amount of days people evolved
man does not live 800-900 years
woman was not created out of a mans ribs
its all myth
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Your lack of faith is noted.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Fortunately "faith" in scrolls written by the hands of nomads is not needed in order to understand the natural world.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Yeah....faith in mind and heart.
Morpheus
Member
Well, firstly it is a self proclaimed THEORY and therefore debatable for centuries and beyond. But the idea implies, big bang OR creation. What about both? What if the Creator caused a big bang which initiated the universe? I mean really, who knows?
Personally, I think trying to get to the truth of this is a waste of energy. No one will ever be able to discover the truth of this - at least not during their physical lives - so lets move on to world peace!
Know it all.
Shaman.
Why do not you give your own opinion as to what you believe? and then it might become a discussion instead of an orchestration.
Nobody has any statistics or any other equation of how many religious people or scientific people believe on any subject.
The thing we do know is that when the "Universe" is used as a noun or even as a verb then it can be interchangeable with the word "God" as the two words are usually synonymous even when people deny the meaning.
As in saying the Universe did this or that, and the Universe has this or that then the Universe is simply a fancy name for a scientific version of God.
:yes:
Well I think it's clear that I do not believe in God, which is why I asked the OP. I did not ask the question to my self, I asked it to other people (why would I answer my own question???)...
So you do think that the universe and god are one and the same? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
Know it all.
Shaman.
Of course we must answer our own questions, as that is what is meant by such things as "research" and seeking the truth for one self.(why would I answer my own question???)...
It would be unsound to just accept an answer from another person without using one's own deductions.
Yes you have the wrong end, and no one is saying the Universe is God even though some do say that God is the Universe, and asking if we see the two as the same is a juvenile affront to a serious subject.
:thud:
What I meant is why would I answer my own question that I asked on this thread, when it is directed at others? Of course I've asked myself the question on a personal level! :sarcastic
Ive read so many comments on this forum from religious people saying that God and the universe can be interpreted as the same thing. So no, it is not a silly question to ask!
I'm just trying to understand a religious persons way of thinking as it interest me, if you're not going to help, don't reply.