Big bang theory?

[Know it all.]

I find that Einstein had an edge over other scientist because Einstein took some of his ideas out of the Bible, as like in several text of the Bible it speaks of God changing time and of God having different measures of time. One example here Psalms 90:4, and another one here Genesis 6:3, and such text might mean little to most people but to a truth seeker then there are many such passages that give huge insight into the condition of man and to the universe and to "time" which Einstein capitalized on - and rightly so.
"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind".

Another aspect of Einstein taking ideas from the Bible is that Genesis 6:3 means nothing to most people but to physics it means that the "time" was changed (not the clock time but the 5th dimension time) which is the Bible reason that people lived hundreds of years before and after this change people did not live so long.

The proof of that strange phenomenon is seen by people in space and more-so by the Astronauts on the Moon as they appear to be moving in slow motion which is the tell-tale from the Bible and Einstein's "special relativity" in that the earth is moving in a faster dimension of time thus making time as relative or bending of time, link Time dilation.

The Astronauts on the Moon look like they are moving in slow motion because they were, because the dimension of time is slower there and time accelerated / faster here on earth - as the Bible tells it to those that look. See also 2 Peter 3:8

 

[PolyHedral]

The proof of that strange phenomenon is seen by people in space and more-so by the Astronauts on the Moon as they appear to be moving in slow motion which is the tell-tale from the Bible and Einstein's "special relativity" in that the earth is moving in a faster dimension of time thus making time as relative or bending of time, link Time dilation.

There is no such thing as a faster dimension of time. Time dilation has never been noticed by any human, because the conditions required are too extreme.

The Astronauts on the Moon look like they are moving in slow motion because they were, because the dimension of time is slower there and time accelerated / faster here on earth - as the Bible tells it to those that look. See also 2 Peter 3:8

If that's what the Bible is telling you, then the Bible is utterly, totally, wrong. There is no noticeable time dilation on the Moon.

 

[tumbleweed41]

The Astronauts on the Moon look like they are moving in slow motion because they were, because the dimension of time is slower there and time accelerated / faster here on earth - as the Bible tells it to those that look. See also 2 Peter 3:8

There are no other "dimensions of time", time is relative to space, motion, and forces such as gravity.

 

[Gloone]

Another aspect of Einstein taking ideas from the Bible is that Genesis 6:3 means nothing to most people but to physics it means that the "time" was changed (not the clock time but the 5th dimension time) which is the Bible reason that people lived hundreds of years before and after this change people did not live so long.

The proof of that strange phenomenon is seen by people in space and more-so by the Astronauts on the Moon as they appear to be moving in slow motion which is the tell-tale from the Bible and Einstein's "special relativity" in that the earth is moving in a faster dimension of time thus making time as relative or bending of time, link Time dilation.

The Astronauts on the Moon look like they are moving in slow motion because they were, because the dimension of time is slower there and time accelerated / faster here on earth - as the Bible tells it to those that look. See also 2 Peter 3:8

Here is another one for you. Just under Genesis 6:3 -

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Similar to saying “way to jack up a passage in the bible and relate it to something it has absolutely nothing to do with.”

 

[Onlooker]

There is no such thing as a faster dimension of time. Time dilation has never been noticed by any human, because the conditions required are too extreme.

You are correct, but they have this experiment- the coolness factor is high: Experimental Basis of Special Relativity
specifically look at the twin paradox, these guys (Hafele and Keating, Nature 227 (1970), pg 270 (proposal). Science Vol. 177 pg 166–170 (1972) (experiment)) showed nanoseconds difference. So, I will call this a tie, no human would have noticed this, but the nuclear clocks did (barely).

 

[DeistPrimate]

You are correct, but they have this experiment- the coolness factor is high: Experimental Basis of Special Relativity
specifically look at the twin paradox, these guys (Hafele and Keating, Nature 227 (1970), pg 270 (proposal). Science Vol. 177 pg 166–170 (1972) (experiment)) showed nanoseconds difference. So, I will call this a tie, no human would have noticed this, but the nuclear clocks did (barely).

A tie?! No, Know It All stated that the appearance of slow motion moving by the lunar astronauts (which is only because the moon's lighter gravity pulls them back down slower than earth's of course) is an example of time dialation which is completely and totally wrongo maxo. Your example, coolness factor aside is one of Poly Hedral's extreme situations.

 

[DeistPrimate]

before you ask the question, " who invented science ? "
you must first know what is 'science'.

Science is a process for distilling facts and explanations from the natural world devoid of as much subjective relics as possible. The process includes comparisons between experimental and control groups, the use of statistical significance (validity and reliability measures) and feasible falsifiability.

Philosophy Of Science was one of the more interesting classes I took back in the day, I would advocate it as an elective to anyone if not required.

 

[DeistPrimate]

There are more examples of pre-Renaissance men who made strides into the science fields prior to Bacon.

Yes, I gave a few examples, though it was still Bacon who solidified previous good ideas into a cohesive methodology for the modern Western world. I'm not saying earlier societies didn't produce other functioning versions. The Islamic realm of 1000 years ago was in many places open to the study of the natural world and many practical inventions came from it, same for the Hindu realm of 2000 years ago. The Greeks had their time in the sun as well. Still, none quite the modern scientific method, close enough to provide some product though.

My belief is that God created everything, therefore a very functional and higher order "being" compared to us, His creation.
I believe we were made "like" Him, therefore creative, logical and overall functional creation over all the other "animals".

I have noticed societies maintaining religious systems with liberal outlooks on studying nature and robust debates regarding their scriptures enjoy a more knowledgeable functioning existence.

If "scientific method" were defined in the past (during the "tales" of the bible) they would have used that term.
Example: Jacob (father of the 12 tribes of Israel) used natural science, deduction and experimentation to turn quite a profit. When he gave the normal/solid colored sheep water troughs that had cut pieces of wood which shaded the reflection of the sheep. Somehow (even to this date, I know of no experiment that replicates this) the visual cues the solid sheep had, either narrowed their self identity to "speckled" (and therefore they mated only with speckled) or changed their offspring genetically? (I dont read Hebrew, it would be nice if a Rabbi had a better explanation).
Either way, science as anybody would define it was utilized.
Another is Daniel after captivity in Babylon, utilized his knowledge about nutrition to out "smart" the scholars in Babylon. That was no accident, I'm sure alot of observation, testing, recording etc.was involved with this.

You are kidding, right?

My point to the ramble, you are defining a God that is clueless. If you are discussing, in a religious forum, God and His attributes,...

I am doing no such thing. I am discussing a human attribute, our capacity to use our grey matter.

...the Torah/Tankh/Bible has plenty of "stories" that show scientific, judicial and moral wisdom.

I don't agree, I see very little of any of these in these texts. By modern standards I'd define the vast majority of scriptural content as ignorant and immoral.

Definitely not able to prove God "created" the scientific method any more than anybody else "created" it.

We know which humans put it to parchment which is more than we can say about scriptures.

 

[Know it all.]

There is no such thing as a faster dimension of time. Time dilation has never been noticed by any human, because the conditions required are too extreme.

If that's what the Bible is telling you, then the Bible is utterly, totally, wrong. There is no noticeable time dilation on the Moon.

Except it is directly "noticeable" with the Astronauts on the Moon.

The thing is that each person has to use our own eyes to see it one self.

My point is that the Bible tells the difference in time, and Einstein turned that info into a physics explanation - and rightly so.

:clap

 

[PolyHedral]

Except it is directly "noticeable" with the Astronauts on the Moon.

I have just ran the numbers, using the equations listed on Wikipedia. The time dilation on the surface of the Moon is approximately a difference of 31 picoseconds (1 picosecond = 1000 billionth of one second) per second, compared to an observer in empty space.

Computers cannot notice that except over long time periods. (The world's fastest computers go through one instruction cycle in around 200 picoseconds. Keep in mind that even simple instructions, like "add two numbers" can take several tens of cycles to complete.) A human would not see the difference if they spent their entire lifetime on the Moon.

Besides, Einstein was only in the right place at the right time. He was basically finishing off Maxwell and Lorentz's work, which had nothing to do with the Bible.

 

[Onlooker]

A tie?! No, Know It All stated that the appearance of slow motion moving by the lunar astronauts (which is only because the moon's lighter gravity pulls them back down slower than earth's of course) is an example of time dialation which is completely and totally wrongo maxo. Your example, coolness factor aside is one of Poly Hedral's extreme situations.

200 nanoseconds on jet around world (lets say 500 mile/hr for 25k miles (circ. of earth roughly). Lets say saturn V rocket 1.5-2k mile/hr for 239 k miles. Assuming a linear relationship to the speed obtained X hours at that speed is related to the "twin paradox" of "lost time" compared to stationary clock (at launch pad).
So the jet had 50 hours of flight. The saturn V rocket had 119 hours of flight 4 x the speed of that experiment (alot of assumptions, sorry).
If the rocket was 4 x as fast (average) then potentially linearly applied 4 x "time dilation" per hour of flight.
So 800 ns per hour of flight x 119 hours = 95200 ns lost, a whooping 95 milliseconds.
So, yes, I agree the amount of time lost/twin paradox/time dilation would be the QRS complex (heartbeat) or less. Not perceivable.
The astronauts had a movie frame rate/radio wave transmission/gravity/space suit restriction/action-reaction law of newton/safety were the main reasons for the "slow motion".
But I like Know it All's main thrust: God and Science are connected just by the fact He created everything. They are His system.

 

[Know it all.]

I have just ran the numbers, using the equations listed on Wikipedia. The time dilation on the surface of the Moon is approximately a difference of 31 picoseconds (1 picosecond = 1000 billionth of one second) per second, compared to an observer in empty space.

Computers cannot notice that except over long time periods. (The world's fastest computers go through one instruction cycle in around 200 picoseconds. Keep in mind that even simple instructions, like "add two numbers" can take several tens of cycles to complete.) A human would not see the difference if they spent their entire lifetime on the Moon.

Besides, Einstein was only in the right place at the right time. He was basically finishing off Maxwell and Lorentz's work, which had nothing to do with the Bible.

You are equating "time" as from a clock and not time as the 4th dimension.

The Astronauts on the Moon had the same time on their clock as was on earth and that is not what is meant by being in a slower time dimension.

The same on the space station in that by leaving the earth the people cross over a divide of time as in time is relative to their location away from earth.

You may not see or believe it but the Bible declares it and Einstein proved it and the Astronauts demonstrate it.

:bow:

 

[outhouse]

You may not see or believe it but the Bible declares it and Einstein proved it and the Astronauts demonstrate it.

i would have to call horse pucky on this lol

please get real

 

[PolyHedral]

You are equating "time" as from a clock and not time as the 4th dimension.

Yes, as Einstein did. Maybe you should read his paper? The thing that a clock measures is movement in the 4th dimension.

The Astronauts on the Moon had the same time on their clock as was on earth and that is not what is meant by being in a slower time dimension.

But it is, because that's what the equation tells you. A clock on the moon physically ticks slower than a clock in empty space.

The same on the space station in that by leaving the earth the people cross over a divide of time as in time is relative to their location away from earth.

There is no divide. The rate of time varies smoothly, as dictated by Einstein's equations.

 

[Onlooker]

If "scientific method" were defined in the past (during the "tales" of the bible) they would have used that term.
Example: Jacob (father of the 12 tribes of Israel) used natural science, deduction and experimentation to turn quite a profit. When he gave the normal/solid colored sheep water troughs that had cut pieces of wood which shaded the reflection of the sheep. Somehow (even to this date, I know of no experiment that replicates this) the visual cues the solid sheep had, either narrowed their self identity to "speckled" (and therefore they mated only with speckled) or changed their offspring genetically? (I dont read Hebrew, it would be nice if a Rabbi had a better explanation).
Either way, science as anybody would define it was utilized.
Another is Daniel after captivity in Babylon, utilized his knowledge about nutrition to out "smart" the scholars in Babylon. That was no accident, I'm sure alot of observation, testing, recording etc.was involved with this.

You are kidding, right?

No, its a great story. Also would be a great science project. What are the mating habits of sheep? can you alter them by visual stimulation/visual alteration of their reflection. Obviously this 3000 year old story suggest they did just that. Whatever the cause, its scientific as a "whole". That is to say, whatever they did, it was from a reasoned process that was based on a hypothesis, tested and over years perfected.

 

[DeistPrimate]

No, its a great story. Also would be a great science project. What are the mating habits of sheep? can you alter them by visual stimulation/visual alteration of their reflection. Obviously this 3000 year old story suggest they did just that. Whatever the cause, its scientific as a "whole". That is to say, whatever they did, it was from a reasoned process that was based on a hypothesis, tested and over years perfected.

Jacob believed he could influence the phenotype of an animal by exposing them to striped rods, he believed he'd successfully done this - you can't even say he falsified his hypothesis (which in reality should have been nullified because it in fact is incorrect) because he concluded he hadn't.

With science like this who needs fantasy?

 

[Know it all.]

A clock on the moon physically ticks slower than a clock in empty space.

There is no divide.

If the clock ticks slower as you say - then there is indeed a proven divide.

You are simply saying the clock is the measurement - while I say the clock does not really measure the 4th dimension.

See "Time expands as speed increases." linked here = Time, The Fourth Dimension , and time on earth is accelerated.

And I am NOT saying that Einstein had it all figured out but only that he appears to have gotten his fundamental idea from the Bible which teaches of humanity being in accelerated time.

:bow:

 

[outhouse]

And I am NOT saying that Einstein had it all figured out but only that he appears to have gotten his fundamental idea from the Bible which teaches of humanity being in accelerated time.

your wrong on all aspects

 

[Onlooker]

Jacob believed he could influence the phenotype of an animal by exposing them to striped rods, he believed he'd successfully done this - you can't even say he falsified his hypothesis (which in reality should have been nullified because it in fact is incorrect) because he concluded he hadn't.

With science like this who needs fantasy?

Listen, the dude made money off this. His falsifiability was proven by all of the other things he tried and not work. Falsifiability is a necessary (but not sufficient) criterion for scientific ideas. So lets say all his failed experiments with his animals, were appropriately falsified by failure. If its success, its a good gig and another capitalist makes a killing.
But to be honest, I dont know if the story is changing the phenotype or changing the self identity/selection of mate (speckled verses solid colored). All I can gather was
1. solid color sheep were not going to be his (and I assume a "better" quality of sheep for whatever reason because he offered to his father in law)
2. speckled sheep were his, and less frequent in that herd (otherwise I assume the father in law would have said, no, Ill take the speckled because they are more populous).
3. for whatever reason, the water trough "trick" changed the frequency of speckled sheep mating (or the amount of speckled offspring)
4. He walked away with the lions share of the flock.

 

[DeistPrimate]

And I am NOT saying that Einstein had it all figured out but only that he appears to have gotten his fundamental idea from the Bible which teaches of humanity being in accelerated time.

:bow:

Einstein was a Deist, he most certainly didn't use the Bible as a source of scientific inspiration. Nor does the Bible say anything about accelerated time.