Bill Clinton says Obamacare is a crazy system: agree or disagree?

[metis]

And while I don't know the context of the quote, of course the health care bill isn't perfect. Anyone who expects a massive bill affecting tens of millions of people to be right the first time is out of their mind. It is normal to make adjustments after the fact. The only reason issues haven't been addressed is congress and their refusal to work with Obama on much of anything.

And that's the sad reality. If the Republicans were serious about this other than just whining for purely political reasons, they could have worked with the administration to make the ACA more fair and efficient. But they didn't and won't. Between actually helping millions of Americans versus playing politics, they chose the latter.

And does anyone here seriously believe that if they gain power that they'll actually pass a health-care plan to help Americans who need it?

 

[McBell]

It's government issue.
So that would be the taxpayers.

That isn't a government issue shovel.

This is:

 

[Revoltingest]

That isn't a government issue shovel.

This is:
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But it's too small to be approved for Revoltingcare.
The lights must go out on the first whack.
This requires some heft.

 

[McBell]

But it's too small to be approved for Revoltingcare.
The lights must go out on the first whack.
This requires some heft.

It is a government issue emergency back up shovel.
Not to be confused with a light switch.

 

[Underhill]

And that's the sad reality. If the Republicans were serious about this other than just whining for purely political reasons, they could have worked with the administration to make the ACA more fair and efficient. But they didn't and won't. Between actually helping millions of Americans versus playing politics, they chose the latter.

And does anyone here seriously believe that if they gain power that they'll actually pass a health-care plan to help Americans who need it?

I suspect they will write a bill "fixing" Obamacare... which is what should have been done all along. But they will only do it if the republicans control everything so they can take credit for saving us from the 'democrats disaster'.

I know they talk a big talk about doing away with the program but I find it hard to believe that even they are the masochistic.

 

[Underhill]

Obama care has been a disaster for me. November my rates are going to go way up, so I will just have to drop it. So I agree with Bill.

My rates have gone up every year both before and after Obamacare.

 

[Altfish]

Can I just say that despite its faults and there are many, I'm so glad I live in the UK and have the National Health Service

 

[esmith]

I guarantee the lights will go out with this government issue "tool" with one whack.

 

[metis]

I suspect they will write a bill "fixing" Obamacare... which is what should have been done all along. But they will only do it if the republicans control everything so they can take credit for saving us from the 'democrats disaster'.

I know they talk a big talk about doing away with the program but I find it hard to believe that even they are the masochistic.

I doubt very much that the Republicans could come up with any agreement between them on health care, much like they couldn't do so on immigration reform. Rubio put forth a plan and got shellacked for it, which may have cost him a shot at the nomination.

The party is very much a fractured party that can only agree that they don't like the Clinton's and Obama. Beyond that, they're basically dysfunctional, and if Trump were to win, it would be hard for them to even pass gas, especially since they don't like anything Mexican.

 

[metis]

Can I just say that despite its faults and there are many, I'm so glad I live in the UK and have the National Health Service

Oh, but the Republicans here say your health-care system and Canada's are atrocious and unpopular-- except that they're not. I would take Canada's over ours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It ain't perfect by any means, but everyone has coverage and no one goes bankrupt because of medical expenses.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guarantee the lights will go out with this government issue "tool" with one whack.
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Still too lightweight....& too pointy.

An appropriate dispatcher....

Now that is an implement I'd like upside my head when the time comes!

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh, but the Republicans here say your health-care system and Canada's are atrocious and unpopular-- except that they're not.

Obamacare is unpopular, but I've not seen any Pubs here say Canuckistan's system is.
You wouldn't be doing a little inventing, would you?

 

[metis]

To go along with my last post, here's an article that deals with the lies that come out of the Republican Party on Canadian health care with quotes: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/when-it-comes-to-health-c_b_218945.html


During debate on when the ACA was being put together, the Pubs often put forth the nonsense about how bad the Canadian system supposedly is, and as one who spends a lot of time in Canada, the Canadians I talked with just threw up their hands on how utterly dishonestly their system was being portrayed by so many on the right.

BTW, here's another article some may find interesting: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republicans-lying-about-healthcare-system-that-saved-my-life/

 

[Wirey]

To go along with my last post, here's an article that deals with the lies that come out of the Republican Party on Canadian health care with quotes: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/when-it-comes-to-health-c_b_218945.html


During debate on when the ACA was being put together, the Pubs often put forth the nonsense about how bad the Canadian system supposedly is, and as one who spends a lot of time in Canada, the Canadians I talked with just threw up their hands on how utterly dishonestly their system was being portrayed by so many on the right.

BTW, here's another article some may find interesting: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republicans-lying-about-healthcare-system-that-saved-my-life/

The Canadian health care system is terrific. I hear lies about it from US news sources all the time. But don't kid yourself, free health care isn't all it's cracked up to be. The doctors up here will save a real butthole of a person for nothing too!

 

[Sapiens]

That isn't a government issue shovel.

This is:
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That is not a shovel, that is an entrenching tool.

 

[metis]

The Canadian health care system is terrific. I hear lies about it from US news sources all the time. But don't kid yourself, free health care isn't all it's cracked up to be. The doctors up here will save a real butthole of a person for nothing too!

If my memory is correct, I think we've talked about this before, and one of the things I mentioned (to at least someone) is that a fairly recent poll had it that the #1 respected person in all of Canadian history is the Saskatchewan doctor who devised your health-care system.

BTW, about 25 years ago, a friend of mine asked me if I knew what could be done if his wife went into premature labor as he was planning camping at a provincial park on Lake Superior, and I told him that I didn't know but recommended he call Canadian customs. So he did, and they told him to get her to the park office and that they would fly her by medical helicopter to Toronto. When he asked how he would have to pay for it, they asked him if he had insurance, and he said he did. They said they'd charge the insurance company, so then he asked would would happen if he didn't have insurance, and they told him that they would cover the expenses.

 

[Wirey]

That is not a shovel, that is an entrenching tool.

No one likes a shovel nerd.

 

[Wirey]

If my memory is correct, I think we've talked about this before, and one of the things I mentioned (to at least someone) is that a fairly recent poll had it that the #1 respected person in all of Canadian history is the Saskatchewan doctor who devised your health-care system.

he was voted as the most important Canadian ever or something a few years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas

His grandson is actor Keifer Sutherland.

 

[David1967]

My rates have gone up every year both before and after Obamacare.

Can't argue with that. But with Obama care my rates went up and my coverage disappeared.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Obama care has been a disaster for me. November my rates are going to go way up, so I will just have to drop it. So I agree with Bill.

Me too. My deductible has skyrocketed into the thousands now where it once was in the hundreds. I need insurance for the deductible!

My wife's and I had our primary care doctor quit because of obamacare so we don't get to keep our doctor anymore.

Once Trump gets in I hope he kills it outright once and for all and release every American from the prison of owing a perpetual debt that most no one can even afford on a fixed budget.