Blood clots

[ecco]

How about another...

Wuhan lab at heart of COVID outbreak may get three more years of US funding

https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2021/02/21/wuhan-lab-at-heart-of-covid-outbreak-may-get-more-us-funding/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==#aoh=16188681695346&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://nypost.com/2021/02/21/wuhan-lab-at-heart-of-covid-outbreak-may-get-more-us-funding/

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Your reference to "three more years of US funding" seems to be related to a commitment made by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 2014.

There was nothing in your article about US scientists.

Perhaps you could comment on the reason for your assertion in the first place.

 

[Kenny]

Actually, the OP was about vaccine induced blood clots causing deaths. Therefore, comments and information about deaths from being unvaccinated are relevant.

Information about blood clots is also relevant.

Google

Blood Clots Can Be Deadly
As many as 100,000 people die of blood clots each year.​

Comments about deaths from drug overdoses are not relevant. Do try to stay on topic.

And there are many sars viruses.

1. 229E (alpha coronavirus)
2. NL63 (alpha coronavirus)
3. OC43 (beta coronavirus)
4. HKU1 (beta coronavirus)

So? If Vaccines causes the blood clots.... then its the vaccines...

no different than:

https://www.mdlinx.com/article/comm...now-could-cause-cancer/5Ts67N8oKAP5GEVMderxUq

 

[ecco]

Ecco. It has nothing to do with the unvaccinated. You guys brought up that. It was info of Johnson and Johnson vaccination warning that (correction) 6 out of 6 million died from it, allergies and blood clots. That, and how my friend when she took a vaccine, she's the one who told me about it and I looked it up.

You guys can gang up on unvaccinated people all you guys want, but the "fact" is, just be careful which ones you guys choose to pick. Not taking it doesn't mean not concerned. My friend, I've known her 13 years, respects my decision and I respect and support hers.

Only strangers tend to have a problem with my choice and "they" don't even know me.

Long before Covid, 100,000 people died each year from blood clots. It is not at all strange that some people will die of blood clots before they get vaccinated and some will die of blood clots after they get the vaccine.

The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%

Dispatches from a Pandemic
The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%
Published: April 19, 2021 at 1:28 a.m. ET
By
Quentin Fottrell
25
‘It’s the same perceptual problem when we blindly drive to the airport texting, yet worry about the airplane’​

The people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the infectious disease scientists who understand what percent of a population needs to be vaccinated before things can get back to normal. The other people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the people who believe in science and scientists.

The people who are a problem are the people who are not getting vaccinated for nonsensical reasons. The odds of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid and getting sick and/or dying are much higher than the odds of getting sick and/or dying from getting any of the vaccines.

I'm still waiting for someone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

 

[We Never Know]

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Your reference to "three more years of US funding" seems to be related to a commitment made by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 2014.

There was nothing in your article about US scientists.

Perhaps you could comment on the reason for your assertion in the first place.

Last time I'mholding your hand.

 

[ecco]

I answered your question. I said that was a reason but not the primary reason.

So the reason was a friend's Facebook page. But, according to you, that was not the primary reason. You still haven't posted the primary reason.

Once again, I am waiting for anyone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

 

[We Never Know]

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Your reference to "three more years of US funding" seems to be related to a commitment made by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 2014.

There was nothing in your article about US scientists.

Perhaps you could comment on the reason for your assertion in the first place.

Read it...we have been funding that lab and may continue to do so.

"The Wuhan Institute of Virology remains the most likely source of the coronavirus pandemic, yet it is set to receive US taxpayer dollars for the next three years. Worse, the cash will fund more animal research.

The National Institutes of Health told the Daily Caller that the Wuhan lab has an active Foreign Assurance file that authorizes it for US funding until 2024."

When the virus first broke out, the Wuhan Institute had reportedly been testing coronaviruses in bats with $600,000 of US funding routed via the nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance.

 

[ecco]

Last time I'mholding your hand.

Oh goody. A youtube video from CTGN.

Last time I'mholding your hand.

Providing evidence for your assertions is not holding someone's hand. You know that. I shouldn't have had to ask for it to begin with.

However, I still don't know what point you were trying to make when you first started this subthread.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Long before Covid, 100,000 people died each year from blood clots. It is not at all strange that some people will die of blood clots before they get vaccinated and some will die of blood clots after they get the vaccine.

The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%

Dispatches from a Pandemic
The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%
Published: April 19, 2021 at 1:28 a.m. ET
By
Quentin Fottrell
25
‘It’s the same perceptual problem when we blindly drive to the airport texting, yet worry about the airplane’​

The people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the infectious disease scientists who understand what percent of a population needs to be vaccinated before things can get back to normal. The other people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the people who believe in science and scientists.

The people who are a problem are the people who are not getting vaccinated for nonsensical reasons. The odds of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid and getting sick and/or dying are much higher than the odds of getting sick and/or dying from getting any of the vaccines.

I'm still waiting for someone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

This was after not before. It didn't mean the vaccination killed them. It referred to catching civud after vaccination...

I take that back.

Some resources I found people died of covid after vaccination.

This one referred to blood clots in relation to vaccination.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Long before Covid, 100,000 people died each year from blood clots. It is not at all strange that some people will die of blood clots before they get vaccinated and some will die of blood clots after they get the vaccine.

The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%

Dispatches from a Pandemic
The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%
Published: April 19, 2021 at 1:28 a.m. ET
By
Quentin Fottrell
25
‘It’s the same perceptual problem when we blindly drive to the airport texting, yet worry about the airplane’​

The people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the infectious disease scientists who understand what percent of a population needs to be vaccinated before things can get back to normal. The other people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the people who believe in science and scientists.

The people who are a problem are the people who are not getting vaccinated for nonsensical reasons. The odds of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid and getting sick and/or dying are much higher than the odds of getting sick and/or dying from getting any of the vaccines.

I'm still waiting for someone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

And that once again raises the question whether the l blood clots that seven women got after the vaccination was even caused by the vaccination in the first place. A statistical analysis may show that the numbers are not out of the norm. If seven people had auto accidents after getting the vaccination I doubt if it would be attributed to the jab by anyone. Most people do not understand the statistics of large number.

 

[We Never Know]

Oh goody. A youtube video from CTGN.


Providing evidence for your assertions is not holding someone's hand. You know that. I shouldn't have had to ask for it to begin with.

However, I still don't know what point you were trying to make when you first started this subthread.

-Wuhan lab was funded by US and had US scientists working in it
-the Wuhan Institute had reportedly been testing coronaviruses in bats with some of that funding
-virus outbreak
-vaccines
-blood clots

Its all part of the same.

 

[We Never Know]

Which is why, even though my arm may hurt, that I am going to get vaccinated.

Wait...you are on here lecturing people about how they need to do something you haven't even done yet? Oh the irony!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wait...you are on here lecturing people about how they need to do something you haven't even done yet? Oh the irony!

Not really. I have not been able to get one yet. How is that ironic? Most of the people that have said they are not going to get one have not been able to get one either.

I guess irony is not in your toolbox.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So the reason was a friend's Facebook page. But, according to you, that was not the primary reason. You still haven't posted the primary reason.

Once again, I am waiting for anyone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

A friend's Facebook Page???

I known this friend from high school and longer than that of 13 years; and we talk every week. She's my best and only friend.

Primary reason: Intuition/gut feeling.

You can challenge it, but it is what it is.

You don't have to tell a person to not take a medicine, vaccine, whatever if they have a huge feeling its not in their best interest (unless, of course, they are forced or afraid or feel like it's not big enough for them not to take the risk).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Long before Covid, 100,000 people died each year from blood clots. It is not at all strange that some people will die of blood clots before they get vaccinated and some will die of blood clots after they get the vaccine.

The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%

Dispatches from a Pandemic
The public’s expectation of perfection: Risk of blood clot from Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is 0.00009%
Published: April 19, 2021 at 1:28 a.m. ET
By
Quentin Fottrell
25
‘It’s the same perceptual problem when we blindly drive to the airport texting, yet worry about the airplane’​

The people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the infectious disease scientists who understand what percent of a population needs to be vaccinated before things can get back to normal. The other people who "have a problem" with people not getting vaccinated are the people who believe in science and scientists.

The people who are a problem are the people who are not getting vaccinated for nonsensical reasons. The odds of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid and getting sick and/or dying are much higher than the odds of getting sick and/or dying from getting any of the vaccines.

I'm still waiting for someone to post a rational reason for not getting vaccinated.

I'm actually not proving you wrong. In the OP it says 6 out of a million. If I tried to prove you wrong by facts, I'd probably make it less rare than that.

Or. 0.00009% whichever you like.

I never posted the OP to say don't get the vaccination cause of X,Y, and Z. I just posted information and said don't shoot the messenger. I think you shot, stabbed, and kicked me.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I was watching a video on blood clot affects after taking the vaccine and the doctor or speaker was really really trying to make that 0.000009% as if it didn't exist.

Instead, I'd say be honest, say there is X,Y, and Z risk and let the people decide based on the information presented not make promote, market, and make items to get people vaccinated.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And that once again raises the question whether the l blood clots that seven women got after the vaccination was even caused by the vaccination in the first place. A statistical analysis may show that the numbers are not out of the norm. If seven people had auto accidents after getting the vaccination I doubt if it would be attributed to the jab by anyone. Most people do not understand the statistics of large number.

Here's another link: Coronavirus Disease 2019

It's rare, so I wouldn't see the point of saying they could be wrong.

That and why would they put it on hold if that weren't the case?

 

[We Never Know]

And that once again raises the question whether the l blood clots that seven women got after the vaccination was even caused by the vaccination in the first place. A statistical analysis may show that the numbers are not out of the norm. If seven people had auto accidents after getting the vaccination I doubt if it would be attributed to the jab by anyone. Most people do not understand the statistics of large number.

"Doctors, scientists and public health experts are turning to Europe for clues, where a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca -- not yet authorized in the U.S. -- also has been linked to a number of rare blood clots."

"The AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are made in a similar way," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease physician at Vanderbilt University with expertise in preventive medicine and health policy. "But the carriers are different kinds of adenoviruses ... that's part of the background information, why indeed there is a pause now."

"It's hard to say if it's the same problem," said Dr. Richard Kuhn, Ph.D., a virology expert at Purdue University, "but it does seem the vaccine triggers an antibody response that activates platelets, leading to clots."

"While many experts have hesitated to say for sure if there is a link, Schaffner said there's a growing consensus in the scientific community after none of these rare clots have been linked to the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which use mRNA, a different technology."

"I think we shouldn't be coy about that any longer," Schaffner said, adding that it may be time to "accept the fact that these are vaccine-induced but very rare events."

But experts cautioned that even if there is a link, current evidence suggests the risk of developing a blood clot after getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is exceedingly low -- lower, in fact, than being struck by lightning.


https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproje...nson-astrazeneca-blood-clot/story?id=77093834

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's another link: Coronavirus Disease 2019

It's rare, so I wouldn't see the point of saying they could be wrong.

That and why would they put it on hold if that weren't the case?

There are other vaccines. Since there are as the CDC said, it is in "an abundance of caution" that they are doing this.

And this is the sort of hypocrisy that drives me nuts at times. People claim that they are not being careful enough and when they are too careful the same people complain about that. It shows that they are only looking for excuses to believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Doctors, scientists and public health experts are turning to Europe for clues, where a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca -- not yet authorized in the U.S. -- also has been linked to a number of rare blood clots."

"The AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are made in a similar way," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease physician at Vanderbilt University with expertise in preventive medicine and health policy. "But the carriers are different kinds of adenoviruses ... that's part of the background information, why indeed there is a pause now."

"It's hard to say if it's the same problem," said Dr. Richard Kuhn, Ph.D., a virology expert at Purdue University, "but it does seem the vaccine triggers an antibody response that activates platelets, leading to clots."

"While many experts have hesitated to say for sure if there is a link, Schaffner said there's a growing consensus in the scientific community after none of these rare clots have been linked to the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which use mRNA, a different technology."

"I think we shouldn't be coy about that any longer," Schaffner said, adding that it may be time to "accept the fact that these are vaccine-induced but very rare events."

But experts cautioned that even if there is a link, current evidence suggests the risk of developing a blood clot after getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is exceedingly low -- lower, in fact, than being struck by lightning.


https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/scientists-exploring-link-johnson-johnson-astrazeneca-blood-clot/story?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&id=77093834&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==#aoh=16188744719372&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-exploring-link-johnson-johnson-astrazeneca-blood-clot/story?id=77093834

Yes, there is a very real chance that this could be a real but very rare event. Since there are other vaccines they are playing it safe right now.

Our talk did motivate me into looking into getting vaccinated again. Sadly not yet:

"COVID-19 Vaccines in Washington
Eligibility

• People age 16+

Access Washington's vaccine information





At this time, all appointments in Washington are booked. We’ll add more as they become available. Please check back later."
COVID Vaccine (COVID-19 Immunization Updates) | CVS Pharmacy

That is only one location, but I have a feeling that it will be the same elsewhere. I would even take the J&J vaccine without batting an eye if it was available. I think the hold on that vaccine may be why there are none available in my state right now.

 

[Thief]

Of course, you do.

Dangers of Vitamins and Supplements - Consumer Reports

1. Supplements are not risk-free
More than 6,300 reports of serious adverse events associated with dietary supplements, including vitamins and herbs, streamed into the FDA from supplement companies, consumers, health-care providers, and others between 2007 and mid-April of 2012. The reports by themselves don’t prove the supplements caused the problems, but the raw numbers are cause for some concern. Symptoms included signs of heart, kidney, or liver problems, aches, allergic reactions, fatigue, nausea, pains, and vomiting.

The reports described more than 10,300 serious outcomes (some included more than one), including 115 deaths and more than 2,100 hospitalizations, 1,000 serious injuries or illnesses, 900 emergency-room visits, and some 4,000 other important medical events.​

Everyone knows that vitamins are effective, safe, and regulated.

yea.....body chemistry is a balancing act

and we know very few that can balance information.....

don't we