Bloodsports/Hunting for fun

[Elessar]

Generally, to me, to hunt purely for pleasure is wrong. To seek to kill an animal simply for the sport of it would be to kill the animal without any special need to. Now, hunting for food is another matter. I, myself, wouldn't do so, as I have the option not to - after all, you don't know what kind of diseases it could be carrying, how healthy it is, etc. - i.e., a lot of the kosher laws are violated. Now, if its absolutely necessary for your survival, then I don't have a problem - but when its not necessary, I am against it. An animal should be killed humanely.

P.S. *please* don't start an argument over whether shechita is humane, I will not respond to it.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

This poll isn't very good because it seems to imply that all hunting is bloodsport and it isn't. Lots of people hunt for food and extra income but there is no selection for that.

 

[frg001]

This poll isn't very good because it seems to imply that all hunting is bloodsport and it isn't. Lots of people hunt for food and extra income but there is no selection for that.

Its 2 years old, and it does actually say "bloodsports" in the title of the poll, and is further explained by the lead in post...

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Its 2 years old, and it does actually say "bloodsports" in the title of the poll, and is further explained by the lead in post...

Yes but by leaving out hunting you're impling that it is lumped in together with bloodsport. There are lots of people who don't see a difference and hate hunting and hunters. So by leaving hunters out, you take their voice away. I don't think that was your intention but it is how it turned out.

 

[frg001]

Yes but by leaving out hunting you're impling that it is lumped in together with bloodsport. There are lots of people who don't see a difference and hate hunting and hunters. So by leaving hunters out, you take their voice away. I don't think that was your intention but it is how it turned out.

I meant to include anyone who hunts that doesn't need to, but for the enjoyment, even if the kill is eaten. I don't include people who hunt out of necessity.

As I said, it is also 2 years old, and I only reposted to note the fact that it seems more atheists by percentage feel it is immoral... A fly in the face for those particular people who think religion brings with it better ones...

 

[dawny0826]

I couldn't select anything from your poll. I don't see anything wrong with hunting for sport, as long as the animals being hunted are utilized for something useful and not discarded. I'm not comfortable with it, if the animal isn't utlized for something practical and justifiable.

 

[darkendless]

I couldn't select anything from your poll. I don't see anything wrong with hunting for sport, as long as the animals being hunted are utilized for something useful and not discarded. I'm not comfortable with it, if the animal isn't utlized for something practical and justifiable.

How do you justify it? Everything other than food an animal would traditionally be used for is avaliable synthetically these days, so there is no need to kill one. If you have to yes, but a lot of people who hunt mistake the word need, where amore appropriate word would be want.n

 

[Smoke]

This poll isn't very good because it seems to imply that all hunting is bloodsport and it isn't.

I think you're reading something into it that isn't there.

 

[Apex]

How do you justify it? Everything other than food an animal would traditionally be used for is avaliable synthetically these days, so there is no need to kill one. If you have to yes, but a lot of people who hunt mistake the word need, where amore appropriate word would be want.n

And exactly what is the difference between hunting your own meat rather than buying the sorry excuse they call meat at the grocery store? It is hypocritical to say it is imoral to hunt for food because you want to and at the same time say it is ok to buy meat at the store from slaughter houses.

 

[frg001]

And exactly what is the difference between hunting your own meat rather than buying the sorry excuse they call meat at the grocery store? It is hypocritical to say it is imoral to hunt for food because you want to and at the same time say it is ok to buy meat at the store from slaughter houses.

The difference is that you are choosing to, not out of necessity, but because you enjoy it...

 

[Apex]

The difference is that you are choosing to, not out of necessity, but because you enjoy it...

I was not talking about enjoying it. I meant shooting it because you want to eat it.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

The difference is that you are choosing to, not out of necessity, but because you enjoy it...

Why is the enjoyment of hunting so wrong? Hunting is a skill and skills are the source of pride and enjoyment. Enjoying hunting is NOT the same thing as enjoying killing though you seem to imply that it is. It appears as though you have made a moral decision and are trying to set this topic and poll up to support your decision instead of trying to collect objective data.

 

[rojse]

Ok. I would love to know what people think about this. I personally despise the idea of killing living things for sport. In the UK we have banned hunting with dogs. We still have bird-shoots though.

I just don't see how it can be a good thing to kill something because you want to.
I am not talking about vegetarianism - that's another argument.

Anyway here's the poll

What if we hunted introduced animals, such as wild pigs or the like? Introduced species cause a lot of damage to the native environment, and displace native animals. Would this be viewed as wrong?

 

[darkendless]

And exactly what is the difference between hunting your own meat rather than buying the sorry excuse they call meat at the grocery store? It is hypocritical to say it is imoral to hunt for food because you want to and at the same time say it is ok to buy meat at the store from slaughter houses.

I rarely eat meat. I hate seeing the TV shows showing the suffering of those caged animals. Theres a difference between hunting for food and hunting because you can.

What i hte most is killing animals such as lions, sharks and so on simply because they encroach on human land. Here 20 sharks were killed for eating a man, when the man was in their habitat. Sharks don't discriminate, he was food for them.

 

[darkendless]

Why is the enjoyment of hunting so wrong? Hunting is a skill and skills are the source of pride and enjoyment. Enjoying hunting is NOT the same thing as enjoying killing though you seem to imply that it is. It appears as though you have made a moral decision and are trying to set this topic and poll up to support your decision instead of trying to collect objective data.

Because we dont need to and we're destroying the balance of our environment because we somehow think we're better for shooting a defenseless animal. Real hunting would be to track and kill animals with zero range weapons. There is no pride to be had in shooting an animal at a distance. It doesn't even know its about to die. Hunting gives the animal a chance to defend itself, killing is simply taking its life like 99% of people do these days.

 

[Apex]

I rarely eat meat. I hate seeing the TV shows showing the suffering of those caged animals. Theres a difference between hunting for food and hunting because you can.

What i hte most is killing animals such as lions, sharks and so on simply because they encroach on human land. Here 20 sharks were killed for eating a man, when the man was in their habitat. Sharks don't discriminate, he was food for them.

You did not answer my question.

 

[darkendless]

You did not answer my question.

Depends what animal you're killing. Some are more useful to eat than others. Id be less angry at someone who killed a cow for food rather than 20 ducks if you get what i mean.
Either way i do not like the killing of animals for our benefit, especially when so much else is available to us. I mean why do we have to eat bacon for breakfast when toast is better for us?

 

[rojse]

Depends what animal you're killing. Some are more useful to eat than others. Id be less angry at someone who killed a cow for food rather than 20 ducks if you get what i mean.
Either way i do not like the killing of animals for our benefit, especially when so much else is available to us. I mean why do we have to eat bacon for breakfast when toast is better for us?

In return, I would like to ask why we get so worked up about animals and not plants. Does not a plant feel pain and stress when it is cut up and harvested?

 

[lilithu]

For me, it depends if the hunting and killing gives you pleasure in itself.
That for me is dare I say it a human evil.

If the flesh of the animal is eaten afterwards AND the hunter has a valid hunting license, then I am not concerned whether the person "enjoyed" the kill or not. For all we know the tiger takes pleasure in the hunt. And we don't know whether human hunters are actually enjoying the taking of a life or enjoying their skill and marksmanship. The latter is quite understandable.

I agree with you that the idea of enjoying the actually taking of a life skeeves me out. But if they have that in them, better that it be channeled into hunting game than something else. And if they eat the meat they shoot and hunt only within the legal limits, then that limits how many animals they can kill.

 

[lilithu]

Because we dont need to and we're destroying the balance of our environment because we somehow think we're better for shooting a defenseless animal. Real hunting would be to track and kill animals with zero range weapons. There is no pride to be had in shooting an animal at a distance. It doesn't even know its about to die. Hunting gives the animal a chance to defend itself, killing is simply taking its life like 99% of people do these days.

First of all, we're already destroying the balance of our environment. In North America, with which I am most familiar, habitat destruction has led to a decline of predator species such as wolves. At the same time, well-intentioned but cotton-headed humans are feeding the deer in their back yards, which has led to an explosion in the deer population. Hunting, when regulated by the Dept of Fish and Game, means that humans take the place of the wolves and brings the deer population back into balance.

Secondly, I would sooooooo much rather that the animal be shot (cleanly) when it doesn't know it's about to die than have it struggle in fear in close-range "combat." I really do not understand your logic here.

I mean why do we have to eat bacon for breakfast when toast is better for us?

Who says toast is better for you than bacon? (I don't eat pork bacon btw. I just don't agree with your statement.)