Boko Haram officially joins ISIS

[Jumi]

I dont support how they kill muslims, christians and yazidis.

So Shiites and Jews, no matter if innocent are..?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

So Shiites and Jews, no matter if innocent are..?

Jumi pay attention please
I said they should only focuss on the nusayri army, iraqi puppet govt(allied to iran) and the zionist army.

The problem with isis is since they came, the nusayri govt got stronger because isis focussed on the rebels.

 

[LuisDantas]

I think it would have been so good if isis repented. If they ceased to attack muslims. And focussed only on the real enemy in the middle east, which we all know who that is.

No, we actually do not. Not "we all", at least.

 

[gsa]

I think it would have been so good if isis repented. If they ceased to attack muslims. And focussed only on the real enemy in the middle east, which we all know who that is.

The Muslims they're killing are kafirs, though. the so-called near enemy, right?

Maybe they can oust the Saudi regime and purify Mecca. Ban the Shia from hajj and all that.

Israel would annihilate them if they dared an attack anyway.

 

[fantome profane]

the real enemy in the middle east, which we all know who that is.

In reality I think you will find very few members of this board share in your delusions. Certainly not "all".

 

[MD]

In reality I think you will find very few members of this board share in your delusions. Certainly not "all".

the members of this board are irrelevant in real life, the beliefs of 1.6 billion people are not.

 

[fantome profane]

the members of this board are irrelevant in real life, the beliefs of 1.6 billion people are not.

Point taken. But it seems to me that the person I was addressing was addressing those who read and post on this board.

 

[Makaranda]

Apparently these berks are up a certain creek without a certain paddle due to a combined government offensive, so this gesture has been interpreted as a rallying cry from the desperate and soon to be defeated. Lets hope so.

 

[Godobeyer]

AQ is an anti-American/Western group. IS is an apocalyptic group. AQ failed in it's goals so is no longer relevant

I guess you wrong .

Before IS or ISIS , Boko Haram and lot of groups claimed to joined to Al-qaeda

how you explain ISIS behead many Westerns hostages ?

for my information Alqaeda did not behead Western hostages , most of Western hostages realised.

 

[Shad]

I guess you wrong .

Before IS or ISIS , Boko Haram and lot of groups claimed to joined to Al-qaeda

how you explain ISIS behead many Westerns hostages ?

for my information Alqaeda did not behead Western hostages , most of Western hostages realised.

Read IS propaganda. They fully expect when they take Istanbul that the forces of Evil will rise and push them back to the brink of defeat. IS believes they are fulfilling many of the signs of qiyama and alamatu's-sa'ah al- kubra. This is the basis of their rational. It is through this lens all their acts are rationalized and everything is distorted to fit this view. I am not saying IS is correct in their views. I am just pointing out that their focus on certain parts of Islam has alternated their views and acts for everything else in Islam. It is a very black and white view. If you are not with them by definition you have sided with the forces of evil.

 

[Godobeyer]

Read IS propaganda. They fully expect when they take Istanbul that the forces of Evil will rise and push them back to the brink of defeat. IS believes they are fulfilling many of the signs of qiyama and alamatu's-sa'ah al- kubra. This is the basis of their rational. It is through this lens all their acts are rationalized and everything is distorted to fit this view. I am not saying IS is correct in their views. I am just pointing out that their focus on certain parts of Islam has alternated their views and acts for everything else in Islam. It is a very black and white view. If you are not with them by definition you have sided with the forces of evil.

their action talks .

Alqaeda indirectly supported by the West to face Soviet in Afganistan ,so they attacked the West in 2001 and i guess in 1997 (i don't remember)

during 4 years , IS indirectly supported by the West to face Bashar Assad regime , then IS beheaded Western Jouranalists.

same think for Libya .

labels is changed during the time , the same story happening everytime , The West benefit the unrest of some Muslims countries to support side against other side , instead of calling for peace .

 

[Shad]

their action talks .

Alqaeda indirectly supported by the West to face Soviet in Afganistan ,so they attacked the West in 2001 and i guess in 1997 (i don't remember)

during 4 years , IS indirectly supported by the West to face Bashar Assad regime , then IS beheaded Western Jouranalists.

same think for Libya .

labels is changed during the time , the same story happening everytime , The West benefit the unrest of some Muslims countries to support side against other side , instead of calling for peace .

There is no doubt intervention and aiding various group has done harm. However on the other hand the west is not responsible for the distorted views of IS regarding Islam. That is solely on individuals, institutions which teach the religion and those that spread such a message. Hence why people from foreign nations which have no link to the people or area join IS by the fact they share religious views. This is due to the lack of a centralized voice in Islam. People freely pick which authorities are valid thus perpetuating the system of decentralization.

 

[Godobeyer]

There is no doubt intervention and aiding various group has done harm. However on the other hand the west is not responsible for the distorted views of IS regarding Islam. That is solely on individuals, institutions which teach the religion and those that spread such a message. Hence why people from foreign nations which have no link to the people or area join IS by the fact they share religious views. This is due to the lack of a centralized voice in Islam. People freely pick which authorities are valid thus perpetuating the system of decentralization.

look brother in Civil wars imagine everything , indeed West reponsible for every decision that done by them .

the West reponsible for :
-supported Alqaeda and Jihadist whom goes to fight Soviet Union . when they return made problems to their origin countries .

-Invade Iraq by fake claims.

-helping rebels(among them Jabhat Nusra, and IS) in Syria which touch Iraq too .

-destorying regime of Gadaffi (among them IS ) instead of calling for peace they creating civil war and terrorism (helped side against other side)

 

[Jumi]

What is included in the West, only US and closest allies? I'm in the West, we didn't do any of that.

 

[NoX]

Officialy LoL

 

[Shad]

look brother in Civil wars imagine everything , indeed West reponsible for every decision that done by them .

the West reponsible for :
-supported Alqaeda and Jihadist whom goes to fight Soviet Union . when they return made problems to their origin countries .

-Invade Iraq by fake claims.

-helping rebels(among them Jabhat Nusra, and IS) in Syria which touch Iraq too .

-destorying regime of Gadaffi (among them IS ) instead of calling for peace they creating civil war and terrorism (helped side against other side)

All I see is your playing the victim card as if IS views and acts by Islam are the west fault. The west didn't invent Islam, it didn't interpret Islam for them. Time for Muslims to put their big boy pants on and realize acceptances of responsibility is a mature act. The west does not cause Muslims to be fanatic Islamists since the west never didn't have a thing to do with it.

Lets try your arguments but flip it.

Muslims supported Alqaeda and Johadists, both of which is comprised of Muslims as members. Thus if Muslims never joined either there would be no issue.

Both groups are comprised of Muslims, if no Muslim joined, no rebel group

The west has been calling for peace for decades. However Muslims rarely listen so all call often fall on deaf ears.

See how anyone can shift the blame away from the people in these groups and blame a group they are not part of.

 

[Godobeyer]

All I see is your playing the victim card as if IS views and acts by Islam are the west fault. The west didn't invent Islam, it didn't interpret Islam for them. Time for Muslims to put their big boy pants on and realize acceptances of responsibility is a mature act. The west does not cause Muslims to be fanatic Islamists since the west never didn't have a thing to do with it.

Lets try your arguments but flip it.

Muslims supported Alqaeda and Johadists, both of which is comprised of Muslims as members. Thus if Muslims never joined either there would be no issue.

Both groups are comprised of Muslims, if no Muslim joined, no rebel group

The west has been calling for peace for decades. However Muslims rarely listen so all call often fall on deaf ears.

See how anyone can shift the blame away from the people in these groups and blame a group they are not part of.

wow i am playing "the victim card" !!!

and you playing history ignorance ?

YES, indeed the West had responsibility in what happaning in Iraq,Syria,Libya .

the West calling for peace for Syrian and Libya or supply the rebels ? or both ?

 

[Shad]

wow i am playing "the victim card" !!!

and you playing history ignorance ?

YES, indeed the West had responsibility in what happaning in Iraq,Syria,Libya .

the West calling for peace for Syrian and Libya or supply the rebels ? or both ?

You seem to be blaming the west for all the rise of all these groups along with their crimes. As if their motivation was supplied to them.

The UN has been calling for peace talks in Libya for years. The no fly-zone was an attempt to force a cease-fire. It failed. The cease-fire agreement was violated within hours of signing. Hugo Chavez proposal was rejected. Neither side wanted peace outside their own strict ideas of peace.

America and the UK invaded Iraq not the West. Most western nations took no part in the 2nd war. In the first war Saddam rejected calls for peace and the invasion was sanction by the UN. This was supported by the Arab League. Likewise there have been a number of UN resolution which were rejected by Syria.

So what is your alternative? Do nothing? Invade and force a peace on people? I am sure you will find something to complain about rather than accept the fact that many of the crimes of these various groups is solely based on their ideological views, religious or not. Supplying weapons does not force one to commit crimes again humanity, it takes a person to do this. If one does not want to commit such a crime the weapon is useless.

 

[Godobeyer]

You seem to be blaming the west for all the rise of all these groups along with their crimes. As if their motivation was supplied to them.

The UN has been calling for peace talks in Libya for years. The no fly-zone was an attempt to force a cease-fire. It failed. The cease-fire agreement was violated within hours of signing. Hugo Chavez proposal was rejected. Neither side wanted peace outside their own strict ideas of peace.

America and the UK invaded Iraq not the West. Most western nations took no part in the 2nd war. In the first war Saddam rejected calls for peace and the invasion was sanction by the UN. This was supported by the Arab League. Likewise there have been a number of UN resolution which were rejected by Syria.

So what is your alternative? Do nothing? Invade and force a peace on people? I am sure you will find something to complain about rather than accept the fact that many of the crimes of these various groups is solely based on their ideological views, religious or not. Supplying weapons does not force one to commit crimes again humanity, it takes a person to do this. If one does not want to commit such a crime the weapon is useless.

was USA helped Alqaeda to defeat Soviet Union in Afghanistan

top two major countries in West invaded Iraq , was others against ?

NATO changed the regime in Libya by name of democraty ?

Most of Western countries helped indirectly ISIS in Syria and Iraq for 4 years to defeat Bashar Assad ,and same time they used UN to make peace !!!!

they only peace condition is Assad GO .actuatly UN used to Western agenda in Iraq and Syria and many others countries .

 

[Jumi]

was USA helped Alqaeda to defeat Soviet Union in Afghanistan

Yes they helped an Islamic country against a Soviet country.

top two major countries in West invaded Iraq , was others against ?

Many were. That was why there was a joke about "Don't forget Poland".

Most of Western countries helped indirectly ISIS in Syria and Iraq for 4 years to defeat Bashar Assad ,and same time they used UN to make peace !!!!

Not all did.

they only peace condition is Assad GO .actuatly UN used to Western agenda in Iraq and Syria and many others countries .

If it was Western agenda why didn't security council stop it.