Boko Haram officially joins ISIS

[Godobeyer]

Yes they helped an Islamic country against a Soviet country.

actuatly Afghanistan was occupated SU, they helped Jihadists against Soviet Union .

Many were. That was why there was a joke about "Don't forget Poland".

was about ?

Not all did.

look above , i said "most"

If it was Western agenda why didn't security council stop it.

Western wished to attack Syrian army to help the rebels (terrorists) but Russia China Vetos stopped them .

maybe this link help you to remember :
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/w...ina-veto-un-sanctions-against-syria.html?_r=0

 

[Jumi]

actuatly Afghanistan was occupated SU, they helped Jihadists against Soviet Union .

Yes that's what I said.

was about ?

Not many Western countries either approved or joined Bush/Blair in the invasion. Poland was one of the few who joined early on. I thought it was a bad idea for them to go to Iraq, but what can I do?

look above , i said "most"

Yes.

Western wished to attack Syrian army to help the rebels (terrorists) but Russia China Vetos stopped them .

Some did. I thought aiding the rebels was a bad idea as we have seen in history it usually goes badly.

If I understood right ServantoftheOne would disagree. The rebels were fighting against Shiite government which he thinks should be taken down.

maybe this link help you to remember :
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/w...ina-veto-un-sanctions-against-syria.html?_r=0

Thanks for link. This news was about sanctions, not invasion.

 

[Shad]

was USA helped Alqaeda to defeat Soviet Union in Afghanistan

Yes they did. However the USA never taught the group radical Islam, it didn't teach the group how to treat women, become tyrants, etc. So the nations responsibility is minor in comparison to the ideology behind the group

top two major countries in West invaded Iraq , was others against ?

Yes many were. Many never joined the invasion nor occuption. Do some quick research and you will find this fact out for yourself

NATO changed the regime in Libya by name of democraty ?

Nope. Neither side wanted to negotiate without unreasonable terms being met. Nato never told various groups to continue their wars between each other after the civil war. Nato did tell people to start up sectarian violence. This was part of an ideology well before the UN's no fly zone. For some groups tribal divides were enough to start up violent attacks. For others it was political, religious or a mix of both. Again nothing UN or Nato made people do or told them to do.

Most of Western countries helped indirectly ISIS in Syria and Iraq for 4 years to defeat Bashar Assad ,and same time they used UN to make peace !!!!

Some western nations supplied weapons to various groups which were incapable of sustaining their movement. However these supplies were insignificant in comparison to the weapons flowing from Syrians defectors, lost supply depots, etc. Weapons do not kill people, people do. IS has committed these crimes regardless of where the weapons came from. You are ignoring the individuals pulling the trigger and care more about where the gun come from

they only peace condition is Assad GO .actuatly UN used to Western agenda in Iraq and Syria and many others countries .

If you are oblivious to the fact that all nations play political games that is your issue not mine. I am under no illusions nor naive about these games. Are you as critical of various nations supplying arms to groups before the civil war started? Will you condemn Algeria for supplying weapons and training for Palestinian militants? What about other nations which supply arms?

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes that's what I said.

Not many Western countries either approved or joined Bush/Blair in the invasion. Poland was one of the few who joined early on. I thought it was a bad idea for them to go to Iraq, but what can I do?


Yes.


Some did. I thought aiding the rebels was a bad idea as we have seen in history it usually goes badly.

If I understood right ServantoftheOne would disagree. The rebels were fighting against Shiite government which he thinks should be taken down.


Thanks for link. This news was about sanctions, not invasion.

It's seems that we agree in most of the points .

except the last two points .

1- i don't know about Servant of the one opinion , actuatly most of Muslims are against ISIS , Damascus is full of Sunni and many regions are Sunni , and they pro-Assad , so ?

2- UN never declare for invasion for Iraq or Libya , the result West invasion Iraq and attacked Libyans pro-Gaddafi .
the sanction for NO Fly Zone or under chapter7 of UN is lead to invasion .

 

[Jumi]

1- i don't know about Servant of the one opinion , actuatly most of Muslims are against ISIS , Damascus is full of Sunni and many regions are Sunni , and they pro-Assad , so ?

Yes I believe you and I think our thought here is not that different you and I. I bought some things from Syria on internet just before this rebel fighting started and I have love for that country's rich history that is now being destroyed along with the people. I don't care if they are Sunni, Shiite, Christian, Atheist or Pagan, the people don't deserve this fighting.

Servant said this: "The problem with isis is since they came, the nusayri govt got stronger because isis focussed on the rebels" and "they should only focuss on the nusayri army, iraqi puppet govt(allied to iran) and the zionist army.". So he want the Assad government, Iran and Israel attacked and rebels in Syria to win. His problem with ISIS is that they attack rebels, not the "nusayri"(shia) government. Correct me if I'm wrong, Servant.

2- UN never declare for invasion for Iraq or Libya , the result West invasion Iraq and attacked Libyans pro-Gaddafi .
the sanction for NO Fly Zone or under chapter7 of UN is lead to invasion .

They wanted to take him down. I didn't like Gaddafi, but this is more dangerous. What happened is why I don't like wars as solution.

 

[JacobEzra.]

The world is just full of great people

 

[Godobeyer]

Nope. Neither side wanted to negotiate without unreasonable terms being met. Nato never told various groups to continue their wars between each other after the civil war. Nato did tell people to start up sectarian violence. This was part of an ideology well before the UN's no fly zone. For some groups tribal divides were enough to start up violent attacks. For others it was political, religious or a mix of both. Again nothing UN or Nato made people do or told them to do.

Libyan Army was close to win the rebels in Benghazi , then Sarkozy (NATO) attacked the Libyan Army .

Some western nations supplied weapons to various groups which were incapable of sustaining their movement. However these supplies were insignificant in comparison to the weapons flowing from Syrians defectors, lost supply depots, etc. Weapons do not kill people, people do. IS has committed these crimes regardless of where the weapons came from. You are ignoring the individuals pulling the trigger and care more about where the gun come from

Some Western nations bought the weapon , so peace is not in their benefit .
Some Western goverments target "the Oil" .

If you are oblivious to the fact that all nations play political games that is your issue not mine. I am under no illusions nor naive about these games. Are you as critical of various nations supplying arms to groups before the civil war started? Will you condemn Algeria for supplying weapons and training for Palestinian militants? What about other nations which supply arms?

two situations are not the same .
Westerns (Non-Muslims) invade Muslims or supply Muslim nations civil wars .
not equal to Muslims supply and support Palestinains (Muslims) whom under occupation . or Iraqi under USA ....etc
Algeria never supply or training Palestinians .btw not against IF Algeria would supply Palestinains to defend for them selfs , in same times i am not against the peace .

My point is :
Imagine (lets suppose would happaned the inverse ) : that would be war between Ukrania and Russia .

Saudi Arabia and Algeria is supporting Ukrania by weapons , and Iran and Iraq supporting Russia .

so let it burn .

do you get my point ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes I believe you and I think our thought here is not that different you and I. I bought some things from Syria on internet just before this rebel fighting started and I have love for that country's rich history that is now being destroyed along with the people. I don't care if they are Sunni, Shiite, Christian, Atheist or Pagan, the people don't deserve this fighting.

Servant said this: "The problem with isis is since they came, the nusayri govt got stronger because isis focussed on the rebels" and "they should only focuss on the nusayri army, iraqi puppet govt(allied to iran) and the zionist army.". So he want the Assad government, Iran and Israel attacked and rebels in Syria to win. His problem with ISIS is that they attack rebels, not the "nusayri"(shia) government. Correct me if I'm wrong, Servant.

I hate to discribe this problem as Sunni/Shia conflict .

the fact on the ground tells the truth , most of Damascus population are Sunnis they are pro-Assad, and most of Syria are sunnis and they are pro-Assad .

May servant ignore this truth .

Westerns countries insist to made no-fly zone over Syria and start strick Syrian Army but Russian/Chiness Vetos stop them .

so the Western continous supply the rebels (ISIS, Jabhat Nusrah)

They wanted to take him down. I didn't like Gaddafi, but this is more dangerous. What happened is why I don't like wars as solution.

Gaddafi in his last years becomes allie/friend to West .

The West knew that Libya would had civil war and terrorism after down Gaddafi .

 

[Jumi]

I hate to discribe this problem as Sunni/Shia conflict .

There are many belligerents, it's not simple. But ISIS is simple, it's about brutal killing and forcing into their beliefs

ISIS jihadists demolish mosques, shrines in northern Iraq (PHOTOS) — RT News

They joke about dirty kafirs and destroy mosques, churches and old pagan archaeological sites. Kill homosexuals, Sunni tribes, Shiites, pagans. Torture women with wrong type of head cover.

Westerns countries insist to made no-fly zone over Syria and start strick Syrian Army but Russian/Chiness Vetos stop them .

Some countries did.

so the Western continous supply the rebels (ISIS, Jabhat Nusrah)

Where is the proof that any Western country supplies ISIS?

 

[Godobeyer]

There are many belligerents, it's not simple. But ISIS is simple, it's about brutal killing and forcing into their beliefs

ISIS jihadists demolish mosques, shrines in northern Iraq (PHOTOS) — RT News

They joke about dirty kafirs and destroy mosques, churches and old pagan archaeological sites. Kill homosexuals, Sunni tribes, Shiites, pagans. Torture women with wrong type of head cover.

that's known about ISIS .

Some countries did.

ok

Where is the proof that any Western country supplies ISIS?

since 2011 some Western countries and (their slaves regimes) Kings of Oil and Turkey supplying and resuppling rebels and Jabhat Nusra and Jihadists.

after 4 years the some West countries wake up on ISIS . when they attacked Iraqi Chrisitians and Yazidis .

Check my old thread about this issue :
why the west support the terrorism in Syria | ReligiousForums.com

 

[Shad]

Libyan Army was close to win the rebels in Benghazi , then Sarkozy (NATO) attacked the Libyan Army .

The rebels were losing. Libya's military was kiling peaceful protestors. You are actually cheering the side the commuted the first war crimes and crimes again humanity. Hilarious

[/quote]Some Western nations bought the weapon , so peace is not in their benefit . [/quote]

After both sides rejected the idea of even talking in negations

Some Western goverments target "the Oil" .

It would have invaded Libya decades ago if this was the case.

two situations are not the same .
Westerns (Non-Muslims) invade Muslims or supply Muslim nations civil wars .
not equal to Muslims supply and support Palestinains (Muslims) whom under occupation . or Iraqi under USA ....etc
Algeria never supply or training Palestinians .btw not against IF Algeria would supply Palestinains to defend for them selfs , in same times i am not against the peace .

Lovely double-standards you have. Palestine as it is was the result of a civil war and Jordan concessions. Thus on one side it was a civil war and the other they are rebels.Algeria has supplied weapons and training, it is not hard to fact check this. Sadly you do not as your bias prevents it. There is Force 14. There is Ben Balla training the group associated with Arafat in 62 and on.

My point is :
Imagine (lets suppose would happaned the inverse ) : that would be war between Ukrania and Russia .

Saudi Arabia and Algeria is supporting Ukrania by weapons , and Iran and Iraq supporting Russia .

There is already foreign aid going to Ukraine. KSA and UAE sold weapons to the pro-government faction already. Both have sold weapons to Syrian factions. Algeria has been training Palestinians since 62. The only point I see is that you have no clue about the game of politics nations play while thinking your own never plays such games.

 

[Jumi]

after 4 years the some West countries wake up on ISIS .

I thought you meant they were still supplying them.

 

[Godobeyer]

I thought you meant they were still supplying them.

ah

they stopped after ISIS attacked Iraqi Christians before monthes ago .

 

[Godobeyer]

The rebels were losing. Libya's military was kiling peaceful protestors. You are actually cheering the side the commuted the first war crimes and crimes again humanity. Hilarious



After both sides rejected the idea of even talking in negations



It would have invaded Libya decades ago if this was the case.



Lovely double-standards you have. Palestine as it is was the result of a civil war and Jordan concessions. Thus on one side it was a civil war and the other they are rebels.Algeria has supplied weapons and training, it is not hard to fact check this. Sadly you do not as your bias prevents it. There is Force 14. There is Ben Balla training the group associated with Arafat in 62 and on.



There is already foreign aid going to Ukraine. KSA and UAE sold weapons to the pro-government faction already. Both have sold weapons to Syrian factions. Algeria has been training Palestinians since 62. The only point I see is that you have no clue about the game of politics nations play while thinking your own never plays such games.

that what media claim like Aljazeera "Army killed protestors".

actuatly NATO killed pro-Gaddafi army and innocents , and make Libya in civil war and base of terrorites in North Africa .


The West(Italy) invaded Libya before Oil age , after the fake indepenedent the West made Bases in Libya , so Gaddafi comes and kicked them ,but i don't know why USA stricked Gaddafi home in Tripoli in 1986.

Oil is always the main reason in Libya and Iraq also.




what happaned

It's seems that there is misunderstood right here

before it an Algerian Army with most of Arabic Army fought Israel Army in 1973 .

I am talking about Palestine after the peace deal with Israel .


again i am not against Algeria training or supply Palestinians to defend for them selfs .




hehe Saudi and Emarates sold weapons to Ukrania !!! I though Kings of Oil produce Oil not weapons

even IF they sold , that would be by an order of USA and Europe .(they had no choice because they are remoted regimes)

 

[Shad]

that what media claim like Aljazeera "Army killed protestors".

actuatly NATO killed pro-Gaddafi army and innocents , and make Libya in civil war and base of terrorites in North Africa .


The West(Italy) invaded Libya before Oil age , after the fake indepenedent the West made Bases in Libya , so Gaddafi comes and kicked them ,but i don't know why USA stricked Gaddafi home in Tripoli in 1986.

Oil is always the main reason in Libya and Iraq also.




what happaned

It's seems that there is misunderstood right here

before it an Algerian Army with most of Arabic Army fought Israel Army in 1973 .

I am talking about Palestine after the peace deal with Israel .


again i am not against Algeria training or supply Palestinians to defend for them selfs .




hehe Saudi and Emarates sold weapons to Ukrania !!! I though Kings of Oil produce Oil not weapons

even IF they sold , that would be by an order of USA and Europe .(they had no choice because they are remoted regimes)

This has just gone full tin-foil hat conspiracy theory now.

Oil costs money child, money buys items of value child. Figure it out.

 

[Godobeyer]

This has just gone full tin-foil hat conspiracy theory now.

Oil costs money child, money buys items of value child. Figure it out.

this article maybe help you

‘Divide and ruin’: How NATO’s policy is destroying Libya

the link is herer:

‘Divide and ruin’: How NATO’s policy is destroying Libya — RT Op-Edge

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Say the West were to pull out of the Middle East tomorrow, cut all trade links, remove all its citizens, stop all flows of foreign aid (financial & otherwise), prevent its citizens from ever travelling to the region again and forsake every ounce of influence in the region for the rest of time; how long would it take for some Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

50 years? 100 years? 1,000?

 

[MD]

Say the West were to pull out of the Middle East tomorrow, cut all trade links, remove all its citizens, stop all flows of foreign aid (financial & otherwise), prevent its citizens from ever travelling to the region again and forsake every ounce of influence in the region for the rest of time; how long would it take for some Muslims to stop blaming the West for all their problems?

50 years? 100 years? 1,000?

To be fair Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak and Assad all brought a lot more stability to the region before the West help depose them.