Shadow Wolf
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Well, I suppose having gender reassignment surgery is one way to do it. Or being reincarnated.
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Born again virgin?
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Gambit
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Lust is a strong sexual craving. It's unhealthy.
@Gambit
@Deidre
Guys, guys, slow down. Now, there are sources imply it is unhealthy and and uncontrollable, and others imply it is healthy and normal, but both views say it is a sexual desire. Let's take the agreed-on part and consider the rest objective because of the disagreement and call it even.
@Deidre
Guys, guys, slow down. Now, there are sources imply it is unhealthy and and uncontrollable, and others imply it is healthy and normal, but both views say it is a sexual desire. Let's take the agreed-on part and consider the rest objective because of the disagreement and call it even.
^ This.
Gambit
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Gambit
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I suppose you're right. But you can't erase the experience from the Akashic records (God's database).
The lovely Shadow Wolf answered your question
And besides, without lust, how can people have children? People wouldn't just decide to have sex to have children. Lust pushes them to do that. Is having children not healthy?
That is true. I was raised in a Catholic household, and the RCC teaches that lust even within marriage is 'sinful.'
@Smart_Guy - regarding your question as to context...lol ''Born again virgin'' meaning...it's a mindset. You are not physically a virgin, but you are making a commitment to not having sex of any kind outside of marriage...until you are married.
Then I'd say it is a good thing.
In this case, all divorced then remarried devoted Muslims are born-again virgins
Gambit
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The lovely Shadow Wolf answered your question
And besides, without lust, how can people have children? People wouldn't just decide to have sex to have children. Lust pushes them to do that. Is having children not healthy?
Are you not a Muslim?
Then I'd say it is a good thing.
In this case, all divorced then remarried devoted Muslims are born-again virgins
lol Yes, the key to that statement is 'devoted,' but now that I'm back to Christianity, I'm wondering why so much emphasis on morality for the Abrahamic faiths seem to be surrounding sexuality. As if one's sexual conduct is the litmus test for how moral they are.
Its interesting though...
I get the committment to sex only within a committed relationship. And if that means marriage for some people, I get that too.
I just find the terminology of 'born again virgin' ridiculous and...dare I say...playing into a weird patriarchal concept. Keeping it in your pants, so to speak, does make sense to me personally though. Its a way of shifting focus, I think.
For example, virgins in some cases preserve their virginity via having anal sex. This 'technical' approach loses all context of what the commitment is trying to achieve, imho. Similarly, in a modern context, it loses the benefit of ensuring establishable paternity.
To be clear, this is just general commentary on the concept, not anything specific to posters here.
I agree with all points.
It makes more sense when considering priests leading the religion are supposedly chaste. A moral measurement they automatically pass? Heaven forbid (ironically...lol)...
Appreciate your thoughts. Think it is up to the couple for sure, but just seems like an odd word choice to use the term 'virgin' to mean something it doesn't mean.
Jesus' teachings were not designed to go out of fashion.
He said:
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge·henʹna. 30 Also, if your right hand is making you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to land in Ge·henʹna.
31 “Moreover, it was said: ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Matt 5:27-32)
The word for "sexual immorality" used here is from the Greek por·neiʹa, which is a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality.
So sexual misconduct includes everything of a sexual nature. Those who willfully disobey God's laws in this regard will be liable for punishment.
The fact that even those who call themselves "Christians" flout the teachings of Christ in favor or what is now considered "normal" sexual behavior, says a lot about whether people want to please God or just themselves? SSM is also gaining popularity.....but not with God.
Is it unrealistic to believe that people can still wait for marriage to engage in sexual intimacy? No, I don't believe so, as this is the norm in my brotherhood. We don't ever believe that we are alone, so there is no hiding sexual misconduct from God.
What are the benefits of waiting?
No displeasing God because of a lack of self control. (a fruit of God's spirit)
No guilt or bad conscience to deal with.
Becoming truly "one flesh" with the only person that you have been intimate with.
No unwanted pregnancy. No children born into an uncommitted relationship.
No fear of STI's.
Not counting on sex (just lust) to be your primary attraction to your mate.
Building trust with God and your spouse.
Not feeling like your partner is like "second hand goods"
Virginity was highly valued in Bible times because sexual misconduct was viewed as very serious...adulterers and fornicators could be put to death.
Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23:
“That which comes out of a man is what defiles him. For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings, sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, greed, acts of wickedness, deceit, brazen conduct, an envious eye, blasphemy, haughtiness, and unreasonableness. All these wicked things come from within and defile a man.”
Will God accept us if we become "defiled" in his eyes? Some people obviously think so.
He said:
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge·henʹna. 30 Also, if your right hand is making you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to land in Ge·henʹna.
31 “Moreover, it was said: ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Matt 5:27-32)
The word for "sexual immorality" used here is from the Greek por·neiʹa, which is a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality.
So sexual misconduct includes everything of a sexual nature. Those who willfully disobey God's laws in this regard will be liable for punishment.
The fact that even those who call themselves "Christians" flout the teachings of Christ in favor or what is now considered "normal" sexual behavior, says a lot about whether people want to please God or just themselves? SSM is also gaining popularity.....but not with God.
Is it unrealistic to believe that people can still wait for marriage to engage in sexual intimacy? No, I don't believe so, as this is the norm in my brotherhood. We don't ever believe that we are alone, so there is no hiding sexual misconduct from God.
What are the benefits of waiting?
No displeasing God because of a lack of self control. (a fruit of God's spirit)
No guilt or bad conscience to deal with.
Becoming truly "one flesh" with the only person that you have been intimate with.
No unwanted pregnancy. No children born into an uncommitted relationship.
No fear of STI's.
Not counting on sex (just lust) to be your primary attraction to your mate.
Building trust with God and your spouse.
Not feeling like your partner is like "second hand goods"
Virginity was highly valued in Bible times because sexual misconduct was viewed as very serious...adulterers and fornicators could be put to death.
Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23:
“That which comes out of a man is what defiles him. For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings, sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, greed, acts of wickedness, deceit, brazen conduct, an envious eye, blasphemy, haughtiness, and unreasonableness. All these wicked things come from within and defile a man.”
Will God accept us if we become "defiled" in his eyes?
Some people obviously think so.I am
Ah, what happened to the monkey?
I'm not sure about all Abrahamics, but in Islam, morality in Islam are there generally out there for consideration of the bigger picture which is the community. I think strict sexuality rules are there because sex is the starting point of building a community. I don't believe those strict rules are there just to demonize us or to boss us around. I think it also concerns rights since uncontrolled sex could cause illegitimate/illegal children which could, and does in so many occasions, cause them misfortune in what are their rights in parenting and in heritage/legacy/will. Islam does care about individuals of course, but it does not give them permissions that could hurt the bigger picture; the community, even in the slightest.
I do believe that all Abrahamic faiths are actually Islam in development (just my belief), but I said not sure about it because maybe in their time they did not reach the specific teachings of Islam regarding this subject.
Jesus' teachings were not designed to go out of fashion.
He said:
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into Ge·henʹna. 30 Also, if your right hand is making you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to land in Ge·henʹna.
31 “Moreover, it was said: ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Matt 5:27-32)
The word for "sexual immorality" used here is from the Greek por·neiʹa, which is a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality.
So sexual misconduct includes everything of a sexual nature. Those who willfully disobey God's laws in this regard will be liable for punishment.
The fact that even those who call themselves "Christians" flout the teachings of Christ in favor or what is now considered "normal" sexual behavior, says a lot about whether people want to please God or just themselves? SSM is also gaining popularity.....but not with God.
Is it unrealistic to believe that people can still wait for marriage to engage in sexual intimacy? No, I don't believe so, as this is the norm in my brotherhood. We don't ever believe that we are alone, so there is no hiding sexual misconduct from God.
What are the benefits of waiting?
No displeasing God because of a lack of self control. (a fruit of God's spirit)
No guilt or bad conscience to deal with.
Becoming truly "one flesh" with the only person that you have been intimate with.
No unwanted pregnancy. No children born into an uncommitted relationship.
No fear of STI's.
Not counting on sex (just lust) to be your primary attraction to your mate.
Building trust with God and your spouse.
Not feeling like your partner is like "second hand goods"
Virginity was highly valued in Bible times because sexual misconduct was viewed as very serious...adulterers and fornicators could be put to death.
Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23:
“That which comes out of a man is what defiles him. For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings, sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, greed, acts of wickedness, deceit, brazen conduct, an envious eye, blasphemy, haughtiness, and unreasonableness. All these wicked things come from within and defile a man.”
Will God accept us if we become "defiled" in his eyes?
Can you define virginity?