Born again virgin?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I suppose having gender reassignment surgery is one way to do it. Or being reincarnated.

Lol. Andreja Pejic made a joke on her Twitter about being a born again virgin after having her bottom surgery.

 

[Deeje]

Can you define virginity?

Yep...someone who has not had any kind of sexual encounter. Since the terminology (por·neiʹa) includes such things as "adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality" all of these would be included. Illicit sexual contact of any kind comes under the definition of "por·neiʹa" (from which we get pornography) so those who think they can engage in non penetrative sex and remain innocent in God's eyes are kidding themselves. This only applies to those who actually care about God's standards of course. Most people will do as they wish, regardless.
Pornography is rampant these days because of the internet, but certainly not a spiritually healthy passtime for Christians.

Those who are at risk for such behavior are wise to avoid the environments that spawn them.

1 Pet 4:1-5:
"So then, since Christ suffered physical pain, you must arm yourselves with the same attitude he had, and be ready to suffer, too. For if you have suffered physically for Christ, you have finished with sin. 2 You won’t spend the rest of your lives chasing your own desires, but you will be anxious to do the will of God. 3 You have had enough in the past of the evil things that godless people enjoy—their immorality and lust, their feasting and drunkenness and wild parties, and their terrible worship of idols.

4 Of course, your former friends are surprised when you no longer plunge into the flood of wild and destructive things they do. So they slander you. 5 But remember that they will have to face God, who stands ready to judge everyone, both the living and the dead."

Believe it or not I guess.

 

[MARCELLO]

Virginity membrane is similar to appendices. Though no function,yet thousands of problems.

 

[Gambit]

I am

Well, Islam (like all of the other major religions) disapproves of lust..

 

[Smart_Guy]

Well, Islam (like all of the other major religions) disapproves of lust..

Sorry, I deleted a reply I just made. I hope you didn't see it. I apologize, I didn't mean to be provoking in my posts.

Why do you believe Islam disapproves of lust? I believe it does not, at least for now.

 

[MARCELLO]

Well, Islam (like all of the other major religions) disapproves of lust..

I am sorry to remind you that muslims of islam are just like us (shock,shock,shock!!!) ,they have two legs,two eyes and are you ready for the big surprise? They,too have a genitalia between their legs.

 

[Brickjectivity]

lol Yes, the key to that statement is 'devoted,' but now that I'm back to Christianity, I'm wondering why so much emphasis on morality for the Abrahamic faiths seem to be surrounding sexuality. As if one's sexual conduct is the litmus test for how moral they are.

I think there is more than one cause of the Victorian failure, but it is because so many practice closed church membership, isolationism and closed communion. It is arrogant and selfish. Churches continually have isolated groups of people learning the same lessons over & over. Its shouldn't be that way, because an exchange of people and ideas allows experience to hold sway. Christianity today is like a building that has a wonderful air conditioning system but has all of the vents taped off with windows and doors sandbagged, so throughout the building the air is stifling and smelly. Doctrines seemingly cannot defend themselves, so people use their bodies like sandbags to prevent any exchange of people and ideas. Ministers (imagining a larger need for themselves than what actually exists) are the tape over the air vents, working hard to defend their jobs. Everybody is up in arms to defend against 'Ravening wolves', but ravening wolves aren't outsiders but insiders. Then because of all of this anyone who has a problem is seen as a problem, and anyone who has a difference is seen as a threat to doctrine. There is no flow, no belief anymore. They don't believe in the power of God is what I am saying. "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people." (2 Timothy 3:5) This is the state of Christianity which Paul predicts accurately. He hopes Christ will overcome it.

• "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth." (NIV 2 Timothy 3:1-7)

 

[Gambit]

Why do you believe Islam disapproves of lust?

Here are some of the reasons:

In Islam, intentional lascivious glances are forbidden. Lascivious thoughts are disliked, for they are the first step towards adultery, rape and other antisocial behaviors. Muhammad also stressed the magnitude of the "second glance", as the first glance towards an attractive member of the opposite sex could be just accidental or observatory, the second glance could be that gate into lustful thinking. (source: Wikipedia: Lust)

 

[Gambit]

I am sorry to remind you that muslims of islam are just like us (shock,shock,shock!!!) ,they have two legs,two eyes and are you ready for the big surprise? They,too have a genitalia between their legs.

What relevance does this have to my argument that both Christianity and Islam frown upon lust?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Here are some of the reasons:

That quote has some truth in it, and some misinformation. Looking is an act, not an emotion like lust. Looking at what triggers lust is indeed seen wrong in Islam, and that's a specific case that we cannot get a rule of it for lust the emotion. As for the dirty thoughts, what's said about it is not true. There is a basic rule in Islam that says wanting to do evil does not count unless the evil is done.

That quote is a personal effort by someone anyways. Unless there are religious texts about it, it is not in Islam.

 

[Deidre]

When I was an atheist, I didn’t tell Muslims and Christians how to live their lives. That’s like a couch potato telling someone how to work out. Hmmm…lol

 

[lewisnotmiller]

When I was an atheist, I didn’t tell Muslims and Christians how to live their lives. That’s like a couch potato telling someone how to work out. Hmmm…lol

This made me laugh, but at the same time...naw.
I'm no (metaphorical) couch potato.

 

[Deidre]

This made me laugh, but at the same time...naw.
I'm no (metaphorical) couch potato.

lol
Equally as funny, is the person in the thread who is instructing Christians and Muslims about their faiths, and this person isn't following either faith.

 

[Gambit]

Equally as funny, is the person in the thread who is instructing Christians and Muslims about their faiths, and this person isn't following either faith.

I'm not instructing anyone how to live their life. I have simply argued in this thread that "healthy lust" is an oxymoron, and that neither Christianity nor Islam condones lust. (I have substantiated both of these claims.)

By the way, if you want to take a potshot at me, I would prefer that you just address me directly by name.

 

[Deidre]

I'm not instructing anyone how to live their life. I have simply argued in this thread that "healthy lust" is an oxymoron, and that neither Christianity nor Islam condones lust. (I have substantiated both of these claims.)

By the way, if you want to take a potshot at me, I would prefer that you just address me directly by name.

Okay. You shouldn't judge others, Gambit.

 

[Gambit]

Okay. You shouldn't judge others, Gambit.

I'm not judging anyone here.

 

[Deidre]

I'm not judging anyone here.

okay.

 

[Deidre]

Lots of Questions about it.
Lust as a word is not concerned with Religion, spirituality or Health or indeed sin.
It needs to be qualified to take any of those meanings.
Lust is Lust ... a fairly extreme sexual desire...
It can be seen as wrong or sinful when directed outside marriage.
It is fine when directed and shared with a spouse.
In both cases it describes the same physiological urge

I like this, and think your points describe how I see it.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

I suppose, if there might be two people who might believe it serves a helpful purpose (in the context of a relationship)and might mutually benefit from it, then good luck to them.

Personally, I can't see how someone's actions can be undone though. I'd prefer to be lied to than believe what I know to be a lie. There are some things in this life where ignorance really is bliss; the difficult part is figuring out how to discern what to be ignorant of.

I can only see the idea of an effective "born again virgin" would be a person completely changing their scenery altogether.

 

[Smart_Guy]

(I have substantiated both of these claims.)

Non is good for the Islamic view. "Lascivious thoughts are disliked" generic statement does not prove anything.