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Bosnia fights back against Wahhabism

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
It's official, the Islamic Congress of Bosnia and Herzegovina has declared war against followers of Wahhabi Islam - a strict, Salafist interpretation of Islam based in Saudi Arabia.

This conflict has been years in the making, but now it has changed from a war rarely seen to one which is, quite literally, in our faces.

Wahhabi Muslims were locked out of Careva Mosque in downtown Sarajevo some days ago. Both the local Imam and the leader of Bosnia's Muslims, Mustafa Ceric, supported the decision - saying if they allow Wahhabis inside the mosque, then their actions are the Islamic Congress' responsibility. If, instead, they're locked out - then the police have jurisdiction over everything they do.

Other Bosnian Muslims gathering at the mosque obviously supported the decision - television crews filmed dozens of Muslim men and women yelling at the Wahhabi followers. In the portions aired on OBN, the following statements were heard:

"Leave the area!"

"You've come to spoil our children!"

"The Koran did not come to you!"

"Leave this mosque!"

"You are not welcome here!"

"Shame on you for all you've done!"


The media, of course, has recognized this sentiment (which polls show is held by the vast majority of Bosnian Muslims) so they've started covering more Wahhabi-related stories.

The past few days have seen television news programs and newspapers filled with stories of Wahhabi abuses in various regions of Bosnia. People are being reminded of the Bosnian mosques they destroyed because they weren't built and decorated in a Wahhabi style, and of the Muslim women killed during the war by Wahhabi fighters from Arab countries.

Media networks have also interviewed residents of several villages where Wahhabis congregate for prayers.

In one village, Wahhabis took over the local mosque and refused to allow men in modern clothing to enter. Women were completely forbidden to enter the mosque. Residents now drive to the next town for prayers, even those who pray five times a day.

The families who spoke to the media often chose to have their faces and voices disguised. They talked about how they're terrified in their own homes, and how the Wahhabi men are like outlaws terrorizing the village. They don't leave their homes alone, and they never go outside after dark.

They also talked about some of the intimidation they've experienced. Several women cried talking about how their daughters - EVEN THE ONES WHO WEAR HIJAB (which you know is rare here) - were spit on and kicked for not wearing burkas. One four year old girl was pulled from her mother's arms and covered in a burka so roughly her arm was broken.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. It's getting to a point where I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a concentration camp for Wahhabis in the middle of downtown Zenica - gas chambers and all. People are absolutely livid and this is never going to fade away into the background, where it can be comfortably ignored again. It's out in the open, and it will be resolved either way.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Having "Googled"Wahhabi Muslims, I understand that they are fundamentalist; in what way are they different ?
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
michel said:
Having "Googled"Wahhabi Muslims, I understand that they are fundamentalist; in what way are they different ?
They're the Islamic equivalent of aggressive, fundamentalist Christians in the United States. Theologically, there's not a great deal of difference - they just believe their narrow, literal interpretation is the only way and believe they have a right, even an obligation, to force this onto others.

Not all, of course - but the ones we're talking about do.
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
Our Islamic leader, who I adore but honestly consider far too conservative when it comes to certain issues, has urged Bosnian Muslims to be strong in the months ahead.

He said the Islamic community in Bosnia has faced internal problems before and has always found a proper, Islamic solution that contributed to unity and peace.

He said he has no doubt that Bosnians will remain loyal to their Islamic traditions and that there is no need to fear a Wahhabi takeover - reminding Muslims that the entire number of Wahhabi followers in Bosnia couldn't fill a single mosque.

Several Muslim-dominated political parties in Bosnia and Herzegovina have taken the opportunity to speak out against Wahhabism.

Christian leaders in Bosnia and Herzegovina have taken the opportunity to include Evangelical Christians into the same group, asking the government to outlaw both Wahhabi Islam and certain sects of Christianity based in the United States.

They praised decisions by Christian-dominated political parties barring the construction of Evangelical and Baptist churches in several Bosnian counties.
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
The media has revived two stories. One is about a woman in Sarajevo murdered by her own son because she refused to go to Mosque with him. That man, a Wahhabi, showed up at the mosque covered in blood and told the horrified people there that he'd offered a sacrifice to God. That story shook Bosnia to the ground, but there was no identified common enemy at that point. It was just vague, abstract "Islamic extremism" and Muslims quickly went back to their routines.

Now, though, Wahhabis have been identified as a target and the tone of what is happening is very different.

The other story is the kidnapping of two Roman Catholic sisters by an American-born Evangelical missionary from Germany. They were missing for 6 days, during which they were forcibly re-baptised.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
So, as a Muslim, do you see the "Conservative and fundamentalist" Muslim as being the greatest threat to living with others in harmony?

How would you de-fundamentalise Muslim Culture, without 'disobeying' the Qu'ran?
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
michel said:
So, as a Muslim, do you see the "Conservative and fundamentalist" Muslim as being the greatest threat to living with others in harmony?

How would you de-fundamentalise Muslim Culture, without 'disobeying' the Qu'ran?

Muslim culture here is not fundamentalist, there's nothing to change - this is about protecting the society we already have.

I don't see them as a great threat, but if you let these things alone they tend to grow. The villagers and families that have been affected by their actions have all my sympathy, and support.
 

lahm 101

New Member
First of all ... There is no such thing as Wahaby Muslim , They're better known as Salafi as they R the right followers of the true Islam ..

And U Djamila ( yah yah what ever ) R Sufi ... U people Worship graves and U made lots of Bida'a that might gets u out of Islam .. so be carefull and know more about true Islam ( may Allah direct u and ur Sufi Followers to the right path )
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
lahm 101 said:
First of all ... There is no such thing as Wahaby Muslim , They're better known as Salafi as they R the right followers of the true Islam ..

And U Djamila ( yah yah what ever ) R Sufi ... U people Worship graves and U made lots of Bida'a that might gets u out of Islam .. so be carefull and know more about true Islam ( may Allah direct u and ur Sufi Followers to the right path )


Next time please don't post stupid articles before knowing the truth

I'm Hanafi, not Sufi - and thank you, very much, for demonstrating to our fellow RF members exactly what my country is fighting against. :)
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
Djamila, all I can say is hot dog! (and frubals). Here is hoping that you can keep your mosques and people safe.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
**ADMIN POST**

Please bear in mind that the people you disagree with probably are just as well intended as you yourself are. Also, note that the Forum rules prohibit rude, insulting and inflammatory posts. So, if you cannot abide by the rules, get out of this thread now.
 

lahm 101

New Member
Djamila ... if you're Hanafi .. then in what way Salafi and hanafi r different
coz i don't think u really understand what salafi ( aka: wahaby ) is all about
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
lahm 101 said:
Djamila ... if you're Hanafi .. then in what way Salafi and hanafi r different
coz i don't think u really understand what salafi ( aka: wahaby ) is all about

When a Balkan woman is more polite and subdued than you yourself are, it's time to re-examine your modest, Islamic way of life my darling.

Theologically they're probably not all that different - in practice, though... well, lets just say I don't spit on Muslims. :) Nor destroy mosques. Nor harass villagers. Nor support terrorism. Nor, nor, nor...
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
lahm 101 said:
Djamila ... if you're Hanafi .. then in what way Salafi and hanafi r different
coz i don't think u really understand what salafi ( aka: wahaby ) is all about

post #8 claimed in the title that your particular brand of Islam is true islam, yet the story that Djamila posted spoke of breaking a 4 year old girls arm, destroying mosques, abuse, intimidation, etc etc.

Are you saying that those things described in Djamila's OP are what "true" muslims are supposed to be doing?

Isn't Islam supposed to be a Religion of Peace?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Djamila said:
When a Balkan woman is more polite and subdued than you yourself are, it's time to re-examine your modest, Islamic way of life my darling.

Theologically they're probably not all that different - in practice, though... well, lets just say I don't spit on Muslims. :) Nor destroy mosques. Nor harass villagers. Nor support terrorism. Nor, nor, nor...

:clap :clap :clap
Go, girl, go.

Out of curiosity, why not leave this to the Bosnian police? Are they useless or afraid to get involved?
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Hanifiyyah is possible the most liberal of the four madhhabs (jurisprudential schools) while Salafiyyah is among the most conservative. Salafi Islam began in Egypt at Al-Azhar university in the mid-19th C CE.

There are, as in all human movements, levels of fundamentalism among Salafi's but most are very conservative and tend to assume the cultural milieux of Muhammad (pbuh) are normative for all Muslims.

Like all movements which fear change and want to remove people's right to think for themselves Salafiyyah has a certain dark fascination but ultimately it is self-destructive.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Djamila said:
The families who spoke to the media often chose to have their faces and voices disguised. They talked about how they're terrified in their own homes, and how the Wahhabi men are like outlaws terrorizing the village. They don't leave their homes alone, and they never go outside after dark.

They also talked about some of the intimidation they've experienced. Several women cried talking about how their daughters - EVEN THE ONES WHO WEAR HIJAB (which you know is rare here) - were spit on and kicked for not wearing burkas. One four year old girl was pulled from her mother's arms and covered in a burka so roughly her arm was broken.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. It's getting to a point where I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a concentration camp for Wahhabis in the middle of downtown Zenica - gas chambers and all. People are absolutely livid and this is never going to fade away into the background, where it can be comfortably ignored again. It's out in the open, and it will be resolved either way.

What the ................. !!!!!!!

Is this some sort of crminal organization or somthing?

That's really hilarious. No wonder that Mila would think of me as such just because i was born and raised in Saudi Arabia. Now i got it. :D

I'm fully aware of some extremist in Saudi Arabia but this is really really too much.

It's discusting, do they really call themselves Muslims?

I'm glad that you will get rid of them finally Mila. I pray to God that they won't be any kind of Muslims like this one you mentioned.

By the way, are they Bosnians but came from Saudi Arabia or they are originally Saudians but they live in Bosnian and got married from there?
 

Djamila

Bosnjakinja
The Truth said:
What the ................. !!!!!!!

Is this some sort of crminal organization or somthing?

That's really hilarious. No wonder that Mila would think of me as such just because i was born and raised in Saudi Arabia. Now i got it. :D

I'm fully aware of some extremist in Saudi Arabia but this is really really too much.

It's discusting, do they really call themselves Muslims?

I'm glad that you will get rid of them finally Mila. I pray to God that they won't be any kind of Muslims like this one you mentioned.

By the way, are they Bosnians but came from Saudi Arabia or they are originally Saudians but they live in Bosnian and got married from there?

I don't think of you that way at all, The Truth. :) I promise.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
lahm 101 said:
First of all ... There is no such thing as Wahaby Muslim , They're better known as Salafi as they R the right followers of the true Islam ..

And U Djamila ( yah yah what ever ) R Sufi ... U people Worship graves and U made lots of Bida'a that might gets u out of Islam .. so be carefull and know more about true Islam ( may Allah direct u and ur Sufi Followers to the right path )

Shame on you.

I feel pity for you for behaving in such a way which doesn't represent the spirit of beautiful and kind way our prophet Mohammed "peace be upon him" was approaching to people.

Read what Allah is teaching you in the Quran and don't be blind.

[125] Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (Quran 16:125)

Do you remember the man who entered to the mosque in the time of prophet Mohammed to *pee*? What would you do if you saw such a thing?

Do you know what did Prophet Mohammed do when he saw his friends jumping to punish this man?

He asked them to leave him alone till he finish. After he finished Prophet Mohammed asked him to come over and told him that this is a holy mosque of God which he shouldn't do such a thing inside it or around it's area. That man became a Muslims after that when he heard the message, *not through feeling the pain of the message if someone punished him*.

Regarding Salfi which is the same as Wahabi as you claim, i bet you have no idea what is Salaf or Salafis so you better ask your Imam before coming in here spreading your hate and ignorance.

Do you know that there is no such a thing as Salafi in these days, and anyone call himself a Salafi is just ignorant and repeat things which s/he couldn't grasp yet.

I pray for you to be guided and return to the right path of Islam.
 
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