Brain Storming for our Secular School Curriculum

[Shadow Wolf]

Literature will need to be limited to only fact oriented and non-religious subjects

Why no Shakespeare?

 

[Balthazzar]

I will say I don't understand the point of the OP. Schools are already secular as is. The current goal is to keep them that way.

Just in case scenarios and possible future realities.

I would have never thought that a recorded historic law documented in religious literature would be so controversial as a display that students aren't even required to look at in a State whose state majority agrees with the law enacted requiring it to be displayed. I'm ok either way, but the future remains uncertain.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Maybe we should limit voting rights to those with a higher education.

Maybe your vote should depend on correctly answering a skill-testing question, like winning some prizes. I suggest, for example:

"Politicians who lie frequently are most likely to:

1. Do it again and again
2. Be so regretful they'll never even think about telling even the tiniest fib ever again, cross my heart, hope to die"

 

[Balthazzar]

Why no Shakespeare?

Why not Shakespeare? Oh, it's theatrical, satire, human dynamics, and not always based on facts. Yeah, I'm ok with him.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why not Shakespeare? Oh, it's theatrical, satire, human dynamics, and not always based on facts. Yeah, I'm ok with him.

Seems to me you just have no idea what a secular education is. Of course the literature need not always be based on facts. The only real fact in Lysistrata is that the Peloponnesian War happened. But it's still a great story.

 

[Balthazzar]

Maybe your vote should depend on correctly answering a skill-testing question, like winning some prizes. I suggest, for example:

"Politicians who lie frequently are most likely to:

1. Do it again and again
2. Be so regretful they'll never even think about telling even the tiniest fib ever again, cross my heart, hope to die"

Hmm ... hold up. I'm thinking ... maybe I umm, lets see (refer to last sentence).

Perhaps politicians will one day learn not to lie. I've read articles about the notion that we are born liars. Apparently it's a scientific fact, but I figure most people understand it to be true anyway. It takes effort and desire to grow beyond our more child like tendencies. I'm still not very good at not being child like, but I do aim to be truthful.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Why no Shakespeare?

Have you read Shakespeare? There's sex and magic in his plays, and a couple of the sonnets are really filthy! Here's one:

Sonnet 135​

Whoever hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,
And Will to boot, and Will in overplus;
More than enough am I that vex thee still,
To thy sweet will making addition thus.
Wilt thou, whose will is large and spacious,
Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine?
Shall will in others seem right gracious,
And in my will no fair acceptance shine?
The sea, all water, yet receives rain still,
And in abundance addeth to his store;
So thou being rich in Will add to thy Will
One Will of mine, to make thy large Will more.
Let no unkind, no fair beseechers kill;
Think all but one, and me in that one Will.

Why filthy, you ask?

Well, the Elizabethans used the word "will" to mean what we mean, but also uncontrollable lust or desire, and also the body parts, both male and female, that are used in satisfying those desires. And of course, Shakespeare's name was Will.

Now in light of the male and female body parts being named "will," read the sonnet again, especially lines 5-6. You'll see.

 

[The Hammer]

Just in case scenarios and possible future realities.

I would have never thought that a recorded historic law documented in religious literature would be so controversial as a display that students aren't even required to look at in a State whose state majority agrees with the law enacted requiring it to be displayed. I'm ok either way, but the future remains uncertain.

Riiiiiigggghhhttttt.

 

[Balthazzar]

Seems to me you just have no idea what a secular education is. Of course the literature need not always be based on facts. The only real fact in Lysistrata is that the Peloponnesian War happened. But it's still a great story.

That wasn't sarcasm. I'm seriously ok with him.

 

[Altfish]

No religion allowed, nor aspect of religious involvement in our curriculum from K to 12.

I disagree, religion defines so much on this earth, it is imperative that it is taught as a topic, explaining the differences, the beliefs, the influences, etc.

 

[Balthazzar]

Have you read Shakespeare? There's sex and magic in his plays, and a couple of the sonnets are really filthy! Here's one:

Sonnet 135​

Whoever hath her wish, thou hast thy Will,
And Will to boot, and Will in overplus;
More than enough am I that vex thee still,
To thy sweet will making addition thus.
Wilt thou, whose will is large and spacious,
Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine?
Shall will in others seem right gracious,
And in my will no fair acceptance shine?
The sea, all water, yet receives rain still,
And in abundance addeth to his store;
So thou being rich in Will add to thy Will
One will of mine, to make thy large Will more.
Let no unkind, no fair beseechers kill;
Think all but one, and me in that one Will.

Why filthy, you ask?

Well, the Elizabethans used the word "will" to mean what we mean, but also uncontrollable lust or desire, and also the body parts, both male and female, that are used in satisfying those desires. And of course, Shakespeare's name was Will.

Now in light of the male and female body parts being named "will," read the sonnet again, especially lines 5-6. You'll see.

Sex and science ... Go figure. I will suggest applying the material according to age value and ability. Otherwise, I'm ok with Shakespeare. Difficult to understand sometimes and deemed boring by many in our younger generations. Either way, I've not noticed religious bias thus far in his work.

 

[The Hammer]

Tyranny of the majority is a sad premise @Balthazzar . Just because it's a majority view, doesn't mean it belongs in school. The ten commandments in Louisiana's case is not for the purpose of teaching it as a historical document. That is apparent. Just not to Christians.

 

[Balthazzar]

Riiiiiigggghhhttttt.

I know.

 

[The Hammer]

I know.

No you don't. But you're trying which is better than most.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Have you read Shakespeare? There's sex and magic in his plays, and a couple of the sonnets are really filthy! Here's one:

SSSHHHHHHH!!!! You sush with that! They are perfectly ok not realizing how raunchy and violent that "super romantic" Romeo and Juliet really is. If they were to ever realize Shakespeare has more in common with prowrestling than anything with Kirk Cameron we may be in some serious trouble.

 

[Balthazzar]

No you don't. But you're trying which is better than most.

Better than most is better than you.

 

[Balthazzar]

@The Hammer You suggested I was right, to which I agreed. I never thought until it happened and after it happened, I acknowledged a truth. That the future is un-certain and that being prepared is better than not being prepared. You disagreed, so my only possible and apparent way to process your statements is that I'm right and better than you presumed me to be.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Principle #1: leave brainstorming curricula to those qualified to do so.

 

[Balthazzar]

Principle #1: leave brainstorming curricula to those qualified to do so.

I agree with this, but my straw man evident enough to acknowledge intent. Teachers should not be teaching bible doctrine.

 

[Balthazzar]

Tyranny of the majority is a sad premise @Balthazzar . Just because it's a majority view, doesn't mean it belongs in school. The ten commandments in Louisiana's case is not for the purpose of teaching it as a historical document. That is apparent. Just not to Christians.

It isn't being taught by unqualified teachers and the intent is to represent the majority in the state after the long standing right to include them was taken away. That was the majority vote when they were denied that liberty and so it happened, but it did not reflect the majority of that particular state. I can't argue against your statements for this reason. It is apparent to some Christians just not all Christians.