Bringing Christianity into disrepute!

[3rdAngel]

Leviticus isn’t Christian — it’s Judaic. And ancient, and from a different culture. And it’s not Gods words, it’s the words of the authors who wrote it.
No, my argument is with the one who misinterprets in order to keep discriminating against those who need compassion. I’d say there is one here who clearly does not know what he is talking about, and it ain’t the one with a master’s degree in biblical studies.

You misrepreent God's Word in order to promote sin. For this you will be held accountable to God. You are confused saying that the Old Testament scriptures are not Chrsitian when everything that we have in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. In the days of Jesus and the disciples their bible was the Old Testament scriptures and it was the Old Testament scriptures that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the New Testament. Everything that is written in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. Together it is both the Old and New Testament scriptures that make up the Word of God (the bible) and is why it is written in the New Testament. To say that the old Testament scriptures are not Christian is to say that the New Testament scriptures are not Chrsitian. I guess you did not think this through very well when it is the New Testament scriptures that say...

2 Timothy 3:16 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

1 Corinthians 10:11 [11], Now all these things happened to them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the world are come.

Matthew 4:4 [4], But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

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It is both the Old Testament and the New Testament scriptures that forbid homosexuality. This is God's Word not my words that you misrepresent in order to promote a sin that is expressly forbidden in God's Word. You promote your words to try and argue away God's Word, so your argument is with God not me. Your teaching and pomoting sin which you will be held accountable because promoting sin is not Christian or a Christian thing to say or do. Your clearly do not know what you are talking about trying to justify sin when God's Word calls homosexuality an abomination in His eyes and says those doing it will not enter into God's Kingdom.

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Old Testament Scriptures on Homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.(Leviticus 20:13)

Genesis 19:4–5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter.
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him: 'Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.'

(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).

Lot refused to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom for homosexuality and, instead, offered them his two virgin daughters "which have not known man" and to "do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes". However, they refused this offer, complained about this alien, namely Lot, giving orders, and then came near to break down the door.

Jewish View of Old Testament Homosexuality from Leviticus

Rabbi Basil Herring, who served as head of the Rabbinical Council of America from 2003 to 2012, writes that both the Rabbinic tradition and modern orthodox position consider the Torah to condemn homosexuality as an abomination. Moreover, that it "conveys its abhorrence of homosexuality through a variety of narrative settings", God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah being a "paradigmatic" instance of such condemnation.

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NewTestament Scriptures on Homosexuality

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Parrallel translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 linked here click me...

Yep pretty clear that the translators got it right and this is consistant with the Old Testament scriptures shown above that homosexuality was an express commandment by God which was forbidden and is an abomination in God's eyes
Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13.

Let's continue....

The scriptures say that what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in Noahs day are example of of what will happen to the ungodly (those who practice sin) at the 2nd coming (2 Peter 2:6).

Luke 17:26-30
26, And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27, They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28, Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29, but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all:
30, after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.

Matthew 24:35-39
35, Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36, But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37, But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Romans 1:18-32
18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them.
20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
24, Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26, For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

How sad would you be if you had a knowledge of the truth but turned your back to the warnings of God's Word then finding yourself in that situation?

For me I believe God's Word and I believe sadly many are going to find out too late what they have missed out on.

Sorry friend your teaching and promoting sin which is forbidden in God's Word and an abomination in God's eyes. These are God's Word not mine and God's Word disagrees with you. Would not like to be in your shoes. This is only sent in love and as a help to you. If you cannot hear God's Word then I will leave this between you and God as it is God's Word not mine that you disagree with so your argument is with God not me.

 

[sojourner]

You misrepreent God's Word in order to promote sin. For this you will be held accountable to God. You are confused saying that the Old Testament scriptures are not Chrsitian when everything that we have in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. In the days of Jesus and the disciples their bible was the Old Testament scriptures and it was the Old Testament scriptures the pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the New Testament. Everything that is written in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. Together it is both the Old and New Testament scriptures that make up the Word of God (the bible) and is why it is written in the New Testament...

2 Timothy 3:16 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

1 Corinthians 10:11 [11], Now all these things happened to them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the world are come.

Matthew 4:4 [4], But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

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It is both the Old Testament and the New Testament scriptures that forbid homosexuality. This is God's Word not my words that you misrepresent in order to promote a sin and something expressly forbidden in God's Word. You promote your words to try and argue away God's Word, so your argument is with God not me. Your teaching and pomoting sin for which you will be held accountable because promoting sin is not Christian or a Christian thing to say or do. Your clearly do not know what you are talking about trying to justify sin when God's Word calls homosexuality an abomination in God's eyes and says those doing it will not enter into God's Kingdom.

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Old Testament Scriptures on Homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.(Leviticus 20:13)

Genesis 19:4–5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter.
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him: 'Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.'

(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).

Lot refused to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom for homosexuality and, instead, offered them his two virgin daughters "which have not known man" and to "do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes". However, they refused this offer, complained about this alien, namely Lot, giving orders, and then came near to break down the door.

Jewish View of Old Testament Homosexuality from Leviticus

Rabbi Basil Herring, who served as head of the Rabbinical Council of America from 2003 to 2012, writes that both the Rabbinic tradition and modern orthodox position consider the Torah to condemn homosexuality as an abomination. Moreover, that it "conveys its abhorrence of homosexuality through a variety of narrative settings", God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah being a "paradigmatic" instance of such condemnation.

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NewTestament Scriptures on Homosexuality

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Parrallel translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 linked

Yep pretty clear that the translators got it right and this is consistant with the Old Testament scriptures shown above that homosexuality was an express commandment by God which was forbidden and is an abomination in God's eyes
Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13. Let's continue....

The scriptures say that what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in Noahs day are example of of what will happen to the ungodly (those who practice sin) at the 2nd coming (2 Peter 2:6).

Luke 17:26-30
26, And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27, They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28, Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29, but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all:
30, after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.

Matthew 24:35-39
35, Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36, But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37, But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Romans 1:18-32
18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them.
20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
24, Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26, For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

How sad would you be if you had a knowledge of the truth but turned your back to the warnings of God's Word then finding yourself in that situation?

For me I believe God's Word and I believe sadly many are going to find out too late what they have missed out on.

Sorry friend your teaching and promoting sin which is forbidden in God's Word and an abomination in God's eyes. These are God's Word not mine and God's Word disagrees with you. Would not like to be in your shoes. This is only sent in love and as a help to you. If you cannot hear God's Word then I will leave this between you and God as it is God's Word not mine that you disagree with so your argument is with God not me.

Your myopic view of both the texts and the church is no excuse for perpetuating the kind of judgment Jesus preached against. I’m afraid my argument is with you; I’m perfectly ok with God. And I shall continue to speak out against the form of violence evidenced in your posts whenever and wherever I find it.

 

[Darkforbid]

You misrepreent God's Word in order to promote sin. For this you will be held accountable to God. You are confused saying that the Old Testament scriptures are not Chrsitian when everything that we have in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. In the days of Jesus and the disciples their bible was the Old Testament scriptures and it was the Old Testament scriptures the pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the New Testament. Everything that is written in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament scriptures. Together it is both the Old and New Testament scriptures that make up the Word of God (the bible) and is why it is written in the New Testament...

2 Timothy 3:16 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

1 Corinthians 10:11 [11], Now all these things happened to them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the world are come.

Matthew 4:4 [4], But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

................

It is both the Old Testament and the New Testament scriptures that forbid homosexuality. This is God's Word not my words that you misrepresent in order to promote a sin and something expressly forbidden in God's Word. You promote your words to try and argue away God's Word, so your argument is with God not me. Your teaching and pomoting sin for which you will be held accountable because promoting sin is not Christian or a Christian thing to say or do. Your clearly do not know what you are talking about trying to justify sin when God's Word calls homosexuality an abomination in God's eyes and says those doing it will not enter into God's Kingdom.

................

Old Testament Scriptures on Homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.(Leviticus 20:13)

Genesis 19:4–5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter.
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him: 'Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.'

(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).

Lot refused to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom for homosexuality and, instead, offered them his two virgin daughters "which have not known man" and to "do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes". However, they refused this offer, complained about this alien, namely Lot, giving orders, and then came near to break down the door.

Jewish View of Old Testament Homosexuality from Leviticus

Rabbi Basil Herring, who served as head of the Rabbinical Council of America from 2003 to 2012, writes that both the Rabbinic tradition and modern orthodox position consider the Torah to condemn homosexuality as an abomination. Moreover, that it "conveys its abhorrence of homosexuality through a variety of narrative settings", God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah being a "paradigmatic" instance of such condemnation.

................

NewTestament Scriptures on Homosexuality

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Parrallel translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 linked

Yep pretty clear that the translators got it right and this is consistant with the Old Testament scriptures shown above that homosexuality was an express commandment by God which was forbidden and is an abomination in God's eyes
Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13. Let's continue....

The scriptures say that what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in Noahs day are example of of what will happen to the ungodly (those who practice sin) at the 2nd coming (2 Peter 2:6).

Luke 17:26-30
26, And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, even so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27, They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28, Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29, but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all:
30, after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.

Matthew 24:35-39
35, Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36, But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37, But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Romans 1:18-32
18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them.
20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
24, Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26, For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

How sad would you be if you had a knowledge of the truth but turned your back to the warnings of God's Word then finding yourself in that situation?

For me I believe God's Word and I believe sadly many are going to find out too late what they have missed out on.

Sorry friend your teaching and promoting sin which is forbidden in God's Word and an abomination in God's eyes. These are God's Word not mine and God's Word disagrees with you. Would not like to be in your shoes. This is only sent in love and as a help to you. If you cannot hear God's Word then I will leave this between you and God as it is God's Word not mine that you disagree with so your argument is with God not me.

I like the way you nail the rest of the post. Within the first 4 words

 

[Darkforbid]

Your myopic view of both the texts and the church is no excuse for perpetuating the kind of judgment Jesus preached against. I’m afraid my argument is with you; I’m perfectly ok with God. And I shall continue to speak out against the form of violence evidenced in your posts whenever and wherever I find it.

Well if you both tried not focusing on the act. An put a miniscule amount though into why leviticus was written I'm sure it would be less tedious

 

[sojourner]

Well if you both tried not focusing on the act. An put a miniscule amount though into why leviticus was written I'm sure it would be less tedious

Hey, I tried to tell him. Actually, it is all about the act. It has to do with the way shame and honor are sexually-embedded in that culture. Males embodied honor; women embodied shame. That’s why the law was about male/male sex only. In order to be righteous, men had to treat other men honorably. To treat another man as if he were a woman was to treat that man in a shameful (female) way. And for a man to bend over and “take it like a woman” was to act like a female, therefore shamefully. It’s the whole acting like a female/treating like a female shame that makes the act an “abomination.”

Additionally, there’s the whole “wasting the seed” issue. None of it is “because homosexuality,” like most think today. Orientation was an unknown thing in that culture. Therefore, any same-sex act was treated as”unnatural.” We know differently today. The mental health community does not consider homosexuality to be unhealthy or unnatural.

I’ve spent time with eminent biblical scholars and put a lot of study into it. The act (if undertaken with love and respect and wholehearted commitment) isn’t sin in this culture, because we have a different understanding of sexual identity and shame/honor.

 

[Darkforbid]

I’ve spent time with eminent biblical scholars and put a lot of study into it. The act (if undertaken with love and respect and wholehearted commitment) isn’t sin in this culture, because we have a different understanding of sexual identity and shame/honor.

It's about consequence! It always has been. Maybe these so called eminent biblical scholars were victims of a Scholarship scam

 

[sojourner]

It's about consequence! It always has been. Maybe these so called eminent biblical scholars were victims of a Scholarship scam

I doubt it. That’s kind of like postulating that Hawking was cognitively challenged.

 

[Darkforbid]

I doubt it. That’s kind of like postulating that Hawking was cognitively challenged.

I doubt that very much. You can name Hawking's

 

[sojourner]

I doubt that very much. You can name Hawking's

Too bad you feel that way.

 

[Darkforbid]

Too bad you feel that way.

I met someone on a BBs forum once claimed his biblical knowledge came from a Cardinal (Catholic Church)

Yawn

 

[Faithofchristian]

It doesn’t matter which are which! That’s the point of the gospel. The point is not how pious you are. The point is that righteousness is found in doing justice and loving mercy. Where’s the justice and mercy in the prejudice against homosexuals?

Yes, I know precisely where it is. The parable of the wheat and weeds falls very close to the middle of the gospel, which is why it is the central theme of the gospel. It’s the third of five discourses in the gospel, that are arranged in concentric circles, all pointing to the “bullseye” sermon in the middle. The first and fifth are the sermon on the mount and the end times discourse. These bracket the second and fourth, which are the missionary sermon and the sermon on the church. These bracket the parables discourse. A parable is a story that is parabolic — that is, runs counter to the way we think things work. Matthew’s thrust is that Jesus’ followers constitute a True Israel, where justice and mercy count for more than personal piety. In God’s kin-dom, how we treat homosexuals is far more important than who is homosexual, or whether someone is homosexual.

Maybe you should get a hold of Jesus Christ and let him know it doesn't matter which is which of the wheat and tares.

The wheat and tares has nothing to do with now,
The wheat and tares happened millions years ago.
Now thats to funny Jesus Christ is going to tell a story, you can't be serious.

 

[sojourner]

I met someone on a BBs forum once claimed his biblical knowledge came from a Cardinal (Catholic Church)

Yawn

Cardinals aren’t necessarily biblical scholars. I’m talking about the ones who write the peer reviewed scholarly journals, commentaries and bible translations.

 

[sojourner]

Maybe you should get a hold of Jesus Christ and let him know it doesn't matter which is which of the wheat and tares.

The wheat and tares has nothing to do with now,
The wheat and tares happened millions years ago.
Now thats to funny Jesus Christ is going to tell a story, you can't be serious.

Get lucid. It helps.

 

[RESOLUTION]

That is your take on it, I will never see things your way, even though I was a devout born again Christian for a year or two in my youth.

Born again.... what is your version of born again?

 

[RESOLUTION]

You are judging me, you make statements which might make sense to you, but unless you have had my experience of life, which is very different to yours, you haven't a clue about my actual mindset.

Evasion is not a form of defense and if you understood what I had written then you would have known it was not a judgment. How come you have no answers to matters dealing with faith?

 

[JJ50]

Born again.... what is your version of born again?

Asking Jesus into my heart, before I started asking serious questions about the credibility of the faith.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Asking Jesus into my heart, before I started asking serious questions about the credibility of the faith.

Born again is being born of the Spirit which comes from faith in Christ Jesus. A good example is in Acts where the disciples who believed in Jesus all obeyed him and was baptised with the Holy Spirit. So many will believe in Jesus and perform miracles in his name. But all will not be known by Jesus.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I only suggested Jesus might be gay as it is stated in the gospels he had a specific disciple whom he loved, who was presumably male.

Understandable. But in Middle Eastern cultures, it's more acceptable for men to show physical intimacy (like holding hands, kissing on the cheek, etc.) without it reflecting on their sexuality than it is in Western culture. We shouldn't read ancient texts through our modern cultural mores.

That said, I do agree that Christianity tends to be a sex hating religion and most of the people crying about blasphemy are just doing that for homophobic reasons.

 

[Rival]

Understandable. But in Middle Eastern cultures, it's more acceptable for men to show physical intimacy (like holding hands, kissing on the cheek, etc.) without it reflecting on their sexuality than it is in Western culture. We shouldn't read ancient texts through our modern cultural mores.

That said, I do agree that Christianity tends to be a sex hating religion and most of the people crying about blasphemy are just doing that for homophobic reasons.

I once read a book about the History of England and it reported that a contemporary writer stated that 'Kisses everywhere, kisses upon greeting, kisses upon leaving, kisses kisses.' from the women to other women and men.

 

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You misrepreent God's Word in order to promote sin. For this you will be held accountable to God.
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If you think that "god" really caused a world wide flood,
then you will presumably be held accountable
for your accusation of "him" re this atrocity.