SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Or, I could just talk to the Islamic women I know and work with, and ask them how they feel about it.
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British Values
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Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
One would need to know what "British Values" actually are to discuss whether all of them or any of them are useful in school a curriculum. Is there a definitive list?
Notanumber
A Free Man
Equality under the Law was a British Value until our legal system and political elites submitted to Political Islam.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Equality under the law is a virtuous goal. How has the law been changed to lessen this equality in your country? I'm in the United States, so I'm not baiting you.....I simply don't know.
OtherSheep
<--@ Titangel
The people who thought up that brainwash don't feel that way about themselves.
Equality under the law has never been a “British value.”
Now... there have been dissidents demanding equality going all the way back to the Levellers, but it’s never been the mainstream British position.
The British system rejects equality. Except for the Hindu caste system, it’s the most class-based system in the former British Empire. The institution of the monarchy stands in opposition to equality. So does the peerage system.
And speaking of the British Empire, the whole idea of empire is founded on the idea that the British (or, more specifically, the English) are superior to the “colonials.”
Britain does not have equality under the law and never has. Throughout history, when people - either oppressed Britons at the bottom of your class structure or other people’s being oppressed by the Briton’s - called for equality, they’ve been almost always suppressed brutally.
He lives in a country with a hereditary monarchy and an aristocracy, and that used to directly suppress the rights of a huge chunk of the world. I have no idea where he sees “equality under the law” in any of this.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Why did Lord Lucan scarper then?
What are you talking about?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Apparently Lucan was an aristocrat who was suspected of killing his wife years ago, but was never convicted. The word "scarper" means to run away. I think he moved to Australia. Not sure how this ties into "English values". Notanumber is assuming everyone on the forum is from England.
I knew all that. What I was struggling with was how that connected to the discussion.
It seemed like @Notanumber was making some sort of argument like “since this one lord wasn’t exempt from British criminal law, then there must be full equality under British law”... but since this would be completely irrational, I didn’t want to assume that this is what he meant.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Or maybe he is assuming that everyone on the forum can use google (other search engines are available).
Notanumber
A Free Man
When was the last time that Britain had a two-tier system based on religions?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
No idea. Wasn't it once governed by a king who was considered to have been given his power by god?
Notanumber
A Free Man
It is certainly not recent history.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Of course not. But what era do you wish to draw your "English values" from, and why?
Not only that, but descended from a god.
The official genealogy of the British royal family still traces back to Wotan (Odin).
Notanumber
A Free Man
We have to learn from the past, but if we are honest, we cannot change the past. We can change the present to ensure that we have a free future.
George Orwell was right when said - “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I can agree with all of that.
My original question was concerning what you considered "British values". What are they and from what do they derive?