Bruce lee & zen

[Just_me_Mike]

Just to show you what kind of Bruce Lee nut I am, here is a quick snapshot of one of the shelves at my office. I think I have a book of his always around me

 

[zenzero]

Friend itwillend,

ZZ, do you have any of his books already? Or have you just found some things online?

Sorry never read his books so far.
But with your info would try and get the Tao of Jeet Kune Do from a friend in US.

Thanks.
Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friends,

Here is a link to free download of Bruce Lee's fighting methods 4 volumes.
Free Download 4 Volumes Bruce Lee Fighting Method PDF eBook | Mysterious China Blog

Love & rgds

 

[MountainHumanist]

Friend Venugopal,
You missed it.
There is nothing as DEATH.
It is only a transformation.
He has transformed not only himself but the whole energy level around the globe which is evident from the followers of that path.

Love & rgds

Even though the concept of death is not ultimate reality, there seems to be nothing unskillful about acknowledging its reality in a conventional sense. In a conventional way, Bruce Lee did indeed die just as we will all conventionally die. No reason to gloss this fact over. Here is an interesting exchange between a person and a "Zen detective." Quite instructive.

A Zen Detective Investigates Death « Hunting the Void

 

[zenzero]

Friend HH,

You missed it, too.

The question was from friend Venugopal [Venu] and it just needed for him to see a change in gestalt which was what the response was about.

Thaks for that link.
That was a cool piece.

Love & rgds

 

[Master Vigil]

I enjoy reading Bruce Lee only as much as I enjoy reading any other eastern zen/chan philosopher (which is alot). Though he said nothing new. As for the martial arts, in my opinion... he was lacking. His technique was choppy and sloppy, his kicks were short and improper, and his jeet kune do reflects his lack of mastery in wing chun. However, I do not AND WILL NOT doubt his unbelievable impact on the martial arts movie genre. We would not have them if it weren't for him. He, however, was not the martial arts god that everyone makes him out to be.

And let us not forget he was a champion cha-cha dancer.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I enjoy reading Bruce Lee only as much as I enjoy reading any other eastern zen/chan philosopher (which is alot). Though he said nothing new. As for the martial arts, in my opinion... he was lacking. His technique was choppy and sloppy, his kicks were short and improper, and his jeet kune do reflects his lack of mastery in wing chun. However, I do not AND WILL NOT doubt his unbelievable impact on the martial arts movie genre. We would not have them if it weren't for him. He, however, was not the martial arts god that everyone makes him out to be.

And let us not forget he was a champion cha-cha dancer.

Simply incorrect.
Bruce Lee was a fighter first and an actor second. He was challenged frequently, and in all cases won the fight, even though he himself never obtained a black belt in anything.

Sugar Ray Leonard said he would not be the champ he was without Bruce. Anyone that was ever in contact with him, said he hit like a horse, and was faster than anyone they had ever seen.

If he was still alive today, he would be heavily involved in the UFC, because fighting was his true love.

Respect!

 

[Yes Man]

You missed it.
There is nothing as DEATH.
It is only a transformation.
He has transformed not only himself but the whole energy level around the globe which is evident from the followers of that path.

Life is an illusion, for all things slowly die and return the Source.

 

[Master Vigil]

I always get the same response from Bruce Lee fanatics. They all certainly do see him as some sort of god.

The proof is in his techniques. And they are lacking.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Master Vigil,

I enjoy reading Bruce Lee only as much as I enjoy reading any other eastern zen/chan philosopher (which is alot). Though he said nothing new. As for the martial arts, in my opinion... he was lacking. His technique was choppy and sloppy, his kicks were short and improper, and his jeet kune do reflects his lack of mastery in wing chun. However, I do not AND WILL NOT doubt his unbelievable impact on the martial arts movie genre. We would not have them if it weren't for him. He, however, was not the martial arts god that everyone makes him out to be.

And let us not forget he was a champion cha-cha dancer.

You too are a *god*. It is not important if others recognizes that within you or not as that is their karma and depends on their own time/space zone they are in BUT it surely makes a difference if the individual recognizes the *god* within him.

Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend Yes Man,

Life is an illusion, for all things slowly die and return the Source.

True!

Love & rgds

 

[Master Vigil]

Friend Master Vigil,



You too are a *god*. It is not important if others recognizes that within you or not as that is their karma and depends on their own time/space zone they are in BUT it surely makes a difference if the individual recognizes the *god* within him.

Love & rgds

That isn't what I meant. People too often refer to Bruce Lee as a sort of "perfect martial artist". They see him as the epitome, or pinnacle of martial arts greatness. But martial arts is defined by technique, of which his was lacking. The ability to perform a technique naturally and fluidly is dependent on one's mastery of the correctness of technique. A technique done even minutely wrong, will not be effective. However, the majority of the population without the knowledge of the correct technique will not notice. Speed up the incorrect technique (as Bruce Lee is famous for, his speed) and it becomes even more difficult for the non practitioners to see the error. But even an incorrect technique done with incredible speed will not be as effective as a correct technique done at half that speed. So, Bruce Lee garnered a TON of respect as an amazing martial artist among people who had no mastery (or basic understanding) in martial arts. This is natural. And as for the people who challenged him, this proves nothing other than the hypocrisy of martial arts in America. Because even as Bruce Lee copied from ancient Chan ideas in your op... The martial arts is about self mastery, not beating anyone up. So him beating all the challengers is pointless. Even Ashida Kim claims to have beat all of his challengers. And anyone familiar with the man knows that he is full of crap, and is not a martial artist in any shape or form.

 

[YmirGF]

That isn't what I meant. People too often refer to Bruce Lee as a sort of "perfect martial artist". They see him as the epitome, or pinnacle of martial arts greatness. But martial arts is defined by technique, of which his was lacking. The ability to perform a technique naturally and fluidly is dependent on one's mastery of the correctness of technique. A technique done even minutely wrong, will not be effective. However, the majority of the population without the knowledge of the correct technique will not notice. Speed up the incorrect technique (as Bruce Lee is famous for, his speed) and it becomes even more difficult for the non practitioners to see the error. But even an incorrect technique done with incredible speed will not be as effective as a correct technique done at half that speed. So, Bruce Lee garnered a TON of respect as an amazing martial artist among people who had no mastery (or basic understanding) in martial arts. This is natural. And as for the people who challenged him, this proves nothing other than the hypocrisy of martial arts in America. Because even as Bruce Lee copied from ancient Chan ideas in your op... The martial arts is about self mastery, not beating anyone up. So him beating all the challengers is pointless. Even Ashida Kim claims to have beat all of his challengers. And anyone familiar with the man knows that he is full of crap, and is not a martial artist in any shape or form.

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[zenzero]

Friend MasterVigil,

Right / wrong are again perspectives from a stand point and anyone deciding that stand point also is from a perspective.

Truth is only when all perspectives are lost.

Love & rgds

 

[Master Vigil]

Friend MasterVigil,

Right / wrong are again perspectives from a stand point and anyone deciding that stand point also is from a perspective.

Truth is only when all perspectives are lost.

Love & rgds

Correct, truth is truth no matter what I think. That is why I love martial arts. Because within the martial arts, a technique will either work... or not. There really isn't much room for error. And Bruce Lee needed a lot of work on his techniques, no matter how many Bruce Lee fanatics deny it.

 

[YmirGF]

Correct, truth is truth no matter what I think. That is why I love martial arts. Because within the martial arts, a technique will either work... or not. There really isn't much room for error. And Bruce Lee needed a lot of work on his techniques, no matter how many Bruce Lee fanatics deny it.

:clap:clap:clap:clap

Your wisdom rarely fails to impress me, Dan.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Master Vigil,

You are missing the point.
Be light unto yourself and truth will be known by everyone on its own accord.

Love & rgds

 

[Master Vigil]

Friend Master Vigil,

You are missing the point.
Be light unto yourself and truth will be known by everyone on its own accord.

Love & rgds

I get your point. My point, however, is simple. Bruce Lee is overrated.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Correct, truth is truth no matter what I think. That is why I love martial arts. Because within the martial arts, a technique will either work... or not. There really isn't much room for error. And Bruce Lee needed a lot of work on his techniques, no matter how many Bruce Lee fanatics deny it.

Whether or not his techniques were "lacking" I would think is a bit irrelevent. Whether or not his lacking techniques were a reflection of his self-mastery is up for debate, but that is irrelevent also, I think, if his techniques or stories can empower the reader/film watcher in their journey to self-mastery, which is indeed the driving point of the thread.

 

[zenzero]

Friend TOR,

Whether or not his techniques were "lacking" I would think is a bit irrelevent. Whether or not his lacking techniques were a reflection of his self-mastery is up for debate, but that is irrelevent also, I think, if his techniques or stories can empower the reader/film watcher in their journey to self-mastery, which is indeed the driving point of the thread.

That is what is called: UNDERSTANDING!

Just to add; each takes birth to reunite with the source.
What someone else did or not does not affect another's journey unless the understanding grows! Debating / criticizing shows lack of understanding. Rather prove your own understanding of life and that way life itself evolves or the dharma wheel moves on!

Love & rgds