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Buddha and Christ - Convergent or Divergent?

Buddha and Christ - Convergent or Divergent?


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lukethethird

unknown member
Christ and Buddha are arguably amongst a small handful of men who have had the most influence on humanity over the last two thousand years. Let’s consider Their lives and Teachings. These two men have brought teachings that have profoundly shaped the moral, spiritual and intellectual lives of millions who have followed their Teachings. However some would argue they exemplify two irreconcilably different paradigms, Abrahamic and Dharmic. So have these Great Educators brought spiritual paths that are so divergent that they can’t be reconciled. On the other hand with some closer attention to what we know of their teachings, the historic circumstances from which they have emerged, and how their teachings have evolved through the centuries perhaps they are much more similar than different. Can we have a convergence of two very different traditions or are they irreconcilably divergent?

Comments and questions as you will.

First of all, I doubt that "These two men have brought teachings that have profoundly shaped the moral, spiritual and intellectual lives of millions who have followed their Teachings." It's the stories that have influenced our cultures, the teachings remain irrelevant.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I don't think the comparison is even possible, personally.

For all of the difficulties, there was a considerable degree of success in preserving the message of the Buddha, while Jesus' is highly speculative and all over the place.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't really know enough to comment but I would assume so.

Both religions emerged during a time of upheaval and redefined the religious traditions from which they emerged.

Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita teaches:

Whenever there is a decline in righteousness and an increase in unrighteousness, O Arjun, at that time I manifest myself on earth.

Chapter 4, Verse 7 – Bhagavad Gita, The Song of God – Swami Mukundananda

Interestingly many Hindus view Buddha as being the 9th and latest avatar of the supreme being Vishnu.

Gautama Buddha in Hinduism - Wikipedia
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think the comparison is even possible, personally.

For all of the difficulties, there was a considerable degree of success in preserving the message of the Buddha, while Jesus' is highly speculative and all over the place.

The Teachings of the Buddha were passed down through oral traditions, and it wasn’t until 400 years after the Buddha passed away that His first Teachings were actually written down. The relative authenticity of available Buddhist text and to what extent they reflected the original words, teachings and intent of their founder is an essential focus of scholarly study in any faith.

Early Buddhist Texts - Wikipedia

https://ocbs.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/authenticity.pdf

In contrast the first gospels were most like in written form just 40 years after Christ passed away.

Gospel - Wikipedia

Obviously there are a number of factors to be considered in regards to what extent the so called sacred writings reflect the Teachings, words and intent of a religious founder. The time period elapsed between the Teachers passing and txt being written down is one of the most important. In addition there’s a reasonable case to be made that one of the gospels (John) was written by a contemporary of Christ and was an eye witness to some of the events recorded.

Considering the balance of evidence the Gospels are more likely to reflect the Teachings what Christ taught than the Pali Canon in relation to Buddha.

Of course you may have arguments and evidence to support the contrary.
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
In contrast the first gospels were most like in written form just 40 years after Christ passed away.

Gospel - Wikipedia

Obviously there are a number of factors to be considered in regards to what extent the so called sacred writings reflect the Teachings, words and intent of a religious founder. The time period elapsed between the Teachers passing and txt being written down is one of the most important. In addition there’s a reasonable case to be made that one of the gospels (John) was written by a contemporary of Christ and was an eye witness to some of the events recorded.

Considering the balance of evidence the Gospels are more likely to reflect the Teachings what Christ taught than the Pali Canon in relation to Buddha.

Of course you may have arguments and evidence to support the contrary.

I doubt that the gospels were written down so soon and there is no guarantee that the authors had any interest in recording the teachings of Jesus accurately. In fact, when you see how the gospel authors distorted the teachings in Q-lite it looks like more they delibirately tried to adjust the teachings and/or had no idea how they were supposed to be interpreted.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Mainly, I just feel that the core and most reliable form of transmission is not the written one.

I just envisioned electricity or heat being sent through a book.

Which equates to spiritual virtues.

Love which is heat, creates the force that permeates the word and sparks change in others.

That is how we converge what is Truth in all beliefs. The virtues bind.

Regards Tony
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Can we have a convergence of two very different traditions or are they irreconcilably divergent?

Buddha was enlightened and Jesus was enlightened.
If followers can't reconcile then the problem lies in the followers, not in Buddha and Jesus
They are the ones "not enlightened" acting as if they know everything.
 
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TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
No it doesn't. It was a joke.

But for you, mice eating each other, trees being hacked down, whales burping ... why it all equates to spiritual virtues, and the Greatest Glory for Mankind.

Vinayaka your views of others are always a challenge.

I belive all creation is bound in a way none of us will know in this life. The mind of man has great power, beyond anything we have yet imagined. This power needs unity, the health of creation also requires this to happen.

Peace be with you, regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Vinayaka your views of others are always a challenge.

As are yours, Anthony. Clearly the Baha'i world view is a challenge to many. Else we would have all converted by now. I study and interrelate with Baha'i as a sociological study of how sects and groups can become heavily set in dogma without realising it, or even thinking about it. Baha'i is an excellent case study for this because of the echo chamber aspect, and the fact it stands out as being radically different from much else on the planet.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
As are yours, Anthony. Clearly the Baha'i world view is a challenge to many. Else we would have all converted by now. I study and interrelate with Baha'i as a sociological study of how sects and groups can become heavily set in dogma without realising it, or even thinking about it. Baha'i is an excellent case study for this because of the echo chamber aspect, and the fact it stands out as being radically different from much else on the planet.

What is conversion to you? Is it is about the names of Faith to you?

Going from one name to another and calling it Faith is a chimera. The conversion is in living a life of virtues in service to all hamanity.

As we have noted before, this will require a worldly effort to which all the Nations will participate in.

Relating this to the OP, is there a convergence of virtues in the Faiths of both Christains and Buddhist we could work on?

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Relating this to the OP, is there a convergence of virtues in the Faiths of both Christains and Buddhist we could work on?

Regards Tony

In actions perhaps, but not in philosophy, in my view. Actions, for many, do reflect aspects of philosophy though. But as I said in another post, (my first post on this thread) the demeanor of Buddhists and Christians, in my personal experience has been divergent. Have you had much opportunity to hang out with Buddhists there?
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
In actions perhaps, but not in philosophy, in my view. Actions, for many, do reflect aspects of philosophy though. But as I said in another post, (my first post on this thread) the demeanor of Buddhists and Christians, in my personal experience has been divergent. Have you had much opportunity to hang out with Buddhists there?

In far north Australia you do not get to meet many Buddhists. They have come to interfaith events organised by a community I attended many years ago.

That community had a Baha'i friend since 1986 of a Buhddist background, but she had become a Baha'i before I met her. She married into an Iranian Baha'i family.

So I can say t7ge interfaith events I have attended have shown a want for unity for all those that attended. They are some of my best memories, but my wife and I have been Isolated for many years.

Regards Tony
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I doubt that the gospels were written down so soon and there is no guarantee that the authors had any interest in recording the teachings of Jesus accurately. In fact, when you see how the gospel authors distorted the teachings in Q-lite it looks like more they delibirately tried to adjust the teachings and/or had no idea how they were supposed to be interpreted.

I just go with the scholarship and research of these who have studied the matter closely. Most scholars agree the gospel of Mark was written between 66-70AD.

Do you mean Q source?

Q source - Wikipedia

The Q source argument explains the common material in the synoptic gospels and an alternative source of material now lost. However much of the lost original Q source is contained within Matthew and Luke.


The Gospels of Matthew and Luke were written independently, each using Mark and a second hypothetical document called "Q" as a source. Q was conceived as the most likely explanation behind the common material (mostly sayings) found in the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Lukebut not in Mark.
 

iam1me

Active Member
Christ and Buddha are arguably amongst a small handful of men who have had the most influence on humanity over the last two thousand years. Let’s consider Their lives and Teachings. These two men have brought teachings that have profoundly shaped the moral, spiritual and intellectual lives of millions who have followed their Teachings. However some would argue they exemplify two irreconcilably different paradigms, Abrahamic and Dharmic. So have these Great Educators brought spiritual paths that are so divergent that they can’t be reconciled. On the other hand with some closer attention to what we know of their teachings, the historic circumstances from which they have emerged, and how their teachings have evolved through the centuries perhaps they are much more similar than different. Can we have a convergence of two very different traditions or are they irreconcilably divergent?

Comments and questions as you will.

The Buddha's teachings are about as contrary to Christ's as it gets - which shouldn't be a surprise since each set out to resolve different issues and came from very different cultures.

Christ came as the Messiah to reconcile man to God by addressing the barrier between us: sin (and it's consequence: death). He summarized God's Law, his will for us, with just two short commands: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your fellow man. In fact, so important is love that God is said to be love. Christ exemplifies love through his self-sacrifice for the sake of others. Though he did not desire to suffer and die, he took on that role because his love for God and for us was greater than his concern for himself. We are called to similarly give our lives to God doing good works, loving others. This ultimately leads to reunion with God and to eternal life.

The Buddha was concerned with suffering above all else - how to escape it. It is commonly said in Buddhism that life is suffering - for at every turn there is some degree of unpleasantness. There is some degree suffering in birth, in death, in sickness, in being denied whatever you desire, etc. And, being raised in India everyone believed in Samsara - the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. So you didn't just have to put up with this suffering once - it is understood as an infinite cycle of suffering. And in order to escape samsara, to reach Nirvana, one must address the underlying source of Samsara: Karma, our moral actions. In particular, existing karma must be worked through and we must not produce more karma (save neutral karma). This means that one must both not do anything bad as well as not doing anything good.

Furthermore, attachments to others are considered to be a bad thing and a source of suffering and illusion. As such, a practicing Buddhist cannot love in the same sense as what is called love in Christianity. They use the term but it is not really love.

While Buddhism has many sects, the core teachings above are irreconcilable with Christianity and are contrary to it.

EDIT: They also believe there is no soul, which is also irreconcilable with Christianity if taken at face value. You might be able to re-interpret to simply mean that people are always changing or something, but this would still be irreconcilable with God in Christianity - who is said to be unchanging.
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
First of all, I doubt that "These two men have brought teachings that have profoundly shaped the moral, spiritual and intellectual lives of millions who have followed their Teachings." It's the stories that have influenced our cultures, the teachings remain irrelevant.

I’m not too sure how much you’ve read of the Buddhist Sutas or the New Testament. These are all works concerning the moral and spiritual life of man that have preoccupied many of the greatest thinkers throughout history. Their influences are still strongly felt if the numbers of those claiming allegiance to Their Teachings is anything to go by.

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