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Buddha in Hinduism (I know, subject probably beaten to death, but...)

Jainarayan

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To me, this is an interesting look at it from an unlikely source: Bhaktivedanta VedaBase. Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 3 Verse 24. I've always read about the Buddha deluding demons, rejecting the Vedas, and so on, seemingly not giving the entire account. This purport paints a completely different picture. I'm not looking for debate, just some points of view, observations and a little discussion, if anyone would like. Personally, this clarifies a lot and puts things into perspective... but that's just me.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
To me, this is an interesting look at it from an unlikely source: Bhaktivedanta VedaBase. Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 3 Verse 24. I've always read about the Buddha deluding demons, rejecting the Vedas, and so on, seemingly not giving the entire account. This purport paints a completely different picture. I'm not looking for debate, just some points of view, observations and a little discussion, if anyone would like. Personally, this clarifies a lot and puts things into perspective... but that's just me.

That's the Gaudiya perspective.​
 

Jainarayan

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Indeed, that's why I thought it was counter-intuitive.
 

Vinayaka

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That's the Gaudiya perspective.​

And maybe not all Gaudiyas. I'm not sure. I'm not very familiar with Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Certainly, it's not the general Hindu perspective. Just as an example, in my tradition, there are no avatars at all, so whether or not Buddha wa sonw would be moot.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
And maybe not all Gaudiyas. I'm not sure. I'm not very familiar with Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Certainly, it's not the general Hindu perspective. Just as an example, in my tradition, there are no avatars at all, so whether or not Buddha wa sonw would be moot.

But he linked Bhaktivedanta-VedaBase.
Nothing wrong with our Hindu brothers
and sisters in Gaudiya, just wanted to
abide by the OP since it asked for
observations.​
 

Jainarayan

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I didn't think it was the general Hindu perspective either because in "my" temple, accommodating as it is, there are many depictions of the various avatars of Lord Vishnu, including Balarama and Dhanvantari (who is not well-known) but none of the Buddha. I guess I don't know as much about Gaudiya and ISKCON as I thought I did because Bhaktivedanta VedaBase is ISKCON.
 

Jainarayan

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But he linked Bhaktivedanta-VedaBase.
Nothing wrong with our Hindu brothers
and sisters in Gaudiya, just wanted to
abide by the OP since it asked for
observations.​

Yes, this is good. :)
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
And maybe not all Gaudiyas. I'm not sure. I'm not very familiar with Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Certainly, it's not the general Hindu perspective. Just as an example, in my tradition, there are no avatars at all, so whether or not Buddha wa sonw would be moot.
What is your tradition? Do you have any, and I use the term lightly, "Godmen" at all?
 

Aupmanyav

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Well, some people do not consider Buddha to be an avatara of Lord Vishnu, like Jaskaran (replacing Balarama for Buddha), but for most Hindus, Buddha is the ninth.

As for philosophy, there is just one difference (as far as my understanding goes), Hindus at the minimum accept Brahman, Buddha does not say anything about the eternal. He focuses on other things. The rest is the same as Hinduism.
 

Jainarayan

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Well, some people do not consider Buddha to be an avatara of Lord Vishnu, like Jaskaran (replacing Balarama for Buddha), but for most Hindus, Buddha is the ninth.

As I alluded to, the different avatara carvings on the sides of the 3 Sri Vishnu sanctums (Sri Guruvayurappan, Sri Balaji, Sri Satyanarayana Swami) probably total up to 36. I don't think there are any duplicates, if I remember, except for Sri Krishna in several forms (I think Vithoba also), Narasimha alone, and Lakshmi-Narasimha. Even Kalki is represented, but again, no Buddha.
 

Vinayaka

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What is your tradition? Do you have any, and I use the term lightly, "Godmen" at all?

Saiva Siddhanta ... we have sages like Tirumular, Agasthya, Patanjali ... realised souls who walked/ are walking the planet. We respect the beliefs of all, but do not ourselves believe God himself can manifest as God, and God alone.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Yes indeed. But what exactly are you suggesting by that? Surely not that he was therefore an avatar?

Oops!​

Nothing of the sort.
The "h" in Agasthya
had me a little .....
...... confused. But
then I realized that it
is a Southern spelling.
Just making sure it
was the same person.​
 

Vinayaka

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Oops!​
Nothing of the sort.
The "h" in Agasthya
had me a little .....
...... confused. But
then I realized that it
is a Southern spelling.
Just making sure it
was the same person.​

Yes the spelling is commonly different, and often there are more that 2 versions, most especially with transliteration involved.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram jainaryan ji ,

another congratulations is due , :namaste

but please plase may I ask , ...why an ''unlikely source'' ?

To me, this is an interesting look at it from an unlikely source: Bhaktivedanta VedaBase. Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 3 Verse 24. I've always read about the Buddha deluding demons, rejecting the Vedas, and so on, seemingly not giving the entire account. This purport paints a completely different picture. I'm not looking for debate, just some points of view, observations and a little discussion, if anyone would like. Personally, this clarifies a lot and puts things into perspective... but that's just me.

yes it is often wraped in different fancy language ...to delude the atheists ....deluding demons ... .....but in truth which ever way it is said , ...Lord Buddha appeared to re establish Dharma

the common account as I was taught it is not that Lord Buddha went against the vedas but that he went against the corupt practices of the Brahmin preists of that area and of that day ....

if we look at this sencibly we will see that every incarnation comes to save the world from calamity and re establish Dharma , thus the distinguishing factor is the comtinuance of Dharma nad the defeating of adharma ,

some seem to favour the Idea of Balarama as the eighth incarnation some Vitobha and some Jaganath , ....but again applying reason to these theories there are sound reasons for discounting these three as incarnations of visnu in the sence of dasavatara's , ...for reasons I have given before ...

Balarama is not a direct avatar of visnu as he comes to assist Krsna perform his duty , as laksmana comes to assist Rama , ...both Balarama and laksmana are incarnations of Anantashesha thus as they are inseperable comes as the brother , similarly Visnu's consort lakshmi accompanies Krsna as Radha and Rama as Sita ,


Vitobha must be discounted as Vitobha is a a form of Krsna his consort is Rukmini devi however things have become confused with many , ambedkar being one who claims that vitobha is Buddha , therefore he is the ninth incarnation.....which defies logic , but suits ambedkars ends to promote such as it enforces his political preference towards Buddhism ....

and finaly Jaganatha who is also put forth in Odisha as the ninth incarnation ... which canot be so as Jaganatha is in his own rights lord of the universe , hre is again a form of Krsna thus he is accompanied by Baladeva ....Balarama(who is white as is Balarama) and Subardradevi ...the half sister of krsna ....

the addoption in Odisha of Jaganatha and Vithoba in Maharashtra is mere delightfull fondness :bow:

and a small aside for vinajaka ji Patanjali also is considered to be an incarnation of Ananta Shesha , as is Ramanujacharia :namaste

I hope this adds a little to the general prespective .....




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Jainarayan

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namaskaram jainaryan ji ,

another congratulations is due , :namaste

but please plase may I ask , ...why an ''unlikely source'' ?

Probably because I know so little of what Gaudiya and ISKCON really believe. I would have thought that because they are somewhat more orthodox than most sects they would not see Buddha in the way Srila Prabhupada's purport states.

yes it is often wraped in different fancy language ...to delude the atheists ....deluding demons ... .....but in truth which ever way it is said , ...Lord Buddha appeared to re establish Dharma

the common account as I was taught it is not that Lord Buddha went against the vedas but that he went against the corupt practices of the Brahmin preists of that area and of that day ....

Yes, that is what I have been finding out.

Balarama is not a direct avatar of visnu as he comes to assist Krsna perform his duty , as laksmana comes to assist Rama , ...both Balarama and laksmana are incarnations of Anantashesha thus as they are inseperable comes as the brother , similarly Visnu's consort lakshmi accompanies Krsna as Radha and Rama as Sita ,

Yes, that is something I have read also.

This Dasavatara-page is also interesting in that # 8 praises Balarama, but does not mention Krishna as one of the Dasavatara, but rather as the source of all of them. I think that is definitely Gaudiya, as Vishnu himself emanates from Krishna as Svayam Bhagavān (hmm... maybe I know more than I thought :D).

and a small aside for vinajaka ji Patanjali also is considered to be an incarnation of Ananta Shesha , as is Ramanujacharia :namaste

I hope this adds a little to the general prespective .....

Thanks for all that. :)


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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Gaudiya-s are vehemently orthodox,
practice-wise in terms of Vaishnavism;
...."scripture-wise"*, not so much.

In my opinion, regardless of what I
disagree with in regards to their
theological views, they have been
the bringers of some form of Hindu
Dharma to the West.

For that, I shall always be grateful.

(Plus, they did Vastu at the rentz' crib for free!)
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* the SB & BG are held over the Vedas
 
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