And they serve on heck of a Sunday afternoon meal, I hear. 
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Buddha in Hinduism (I know, subject probably beaten to death, but...)
- Thread starter Jainarayan
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Poeticus ji :namaste
''vehemently orthadox'' ....:yes:
we may not study the vedas as you do , but never should we disrespect or disregard ....:namaste
and here they have brought so many lapsed (indian) hindus back to their true Dharma , discoraged meat eating and drinking and encoraged clean respectfull , responcible living ....
but please may I ask ... what is ... the rentz' crib ...?
''vehemently orthadox'' ....:yes:
we may not study the vedas as you do , but never should we disrespect or disregard ....:namaste
and here they have brought so many lapsed (indian) hindus back to their true Dharma , discoraged meat eating and drinking and encoraged clean respectfull , responcible living ....
but please may I ask ... what is ... the rentz' crib ...?
ratikala
Istha gosthi
And they serve on heck of a Sunday afternoon meal, I hear.
jai jai , ....not just on sundays ...but every festival ....
and everyone is welcome to share prasada :namaste
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Incorporate but denigrate. I am against that. Surely a work of karma-kandi brahmins of the yore whose livelihood was affected by rise of Buddhism. Gaudiyas too, because they have to defend Buddha's atheism as well as anti-Vedism, while accepting Buddha avatara because it is mentioned in SrimadBhagawatham, a problematic situation. IMHO, a contrived, forced explanation.
Yes, I've heard that too. Thanks.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Many lay-Vaishnavas, particularly those that
do not ascribe to a specific V. sampradaya but
still view themselves as Vaishnava, do believe
Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu. Gaudiya was
mentioned due to the link in the OP - wherein
the commentary offered was surely their POV.
do not ascribe to a specific V. sampradaya but
still view themselves as Vaishnava, do believe
Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu. Gaudiya was
mentioned due to the link in the OP - wherein
the commentary offered was surely their POV.
Fireside_Hindu
Jai Lakshmi Maa
I recently made a painting that features all the avatars of Vishnu. When doing research and trying to decide who to make number 9, I wrestled between Buddha and Jaganath.
I went with Jaganath after much consideration. I feel that because Buddha diverted from Hinduism it would just make more sense - not that the Buddha didn't have good reasons for going his own way. I have a high respect for anyone who can peacefully but critically forge their own path in search of truth. But the subject matter of my painting being what it was (A Hindu Epic) I went with Jaganath.
(I also forgot to include Kalki, but am going to explain it away as, "He's not here yet, so he's not in the painting")
:camp:
I went with Jaganath after much consideration. I feel that because Buddha diverted from Hinduism it would just make more sense - not that the Buddha didn't have good reasons for going his own way. I have a high respect for anyone who can peacefully but critically forge their own path in search of truth. But the subject matter of my painting being what it was (A Hindu Epic) I went with Jaganath.
(I also forgot to include Kalki, but am going to explain it away as, "He's not here yet, so he's not in the painting"
):camp:
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Madhuri ji :namaste
jai jai , vaisnavas in general not just Gaudiya's
here are some beautifull carvings depicting the Dasavatars from a beautifull temple in london
jai jai , vaisnavas in general not just Gaudiya's
here are some beautifull carvings depicting the Dasavatars from a beautifull temple in london
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram fireside ji :namaste
Please please do not take this wrongly , but how could Buddha divert from Hinduism ..? ...Hinduism or the term Hindu did not even exist at the apperance time of lord Buddha , ....
therefore he appeared to re establish Sanatana Dharma as did all avatars ....
Jaganath is a self manifesting form of Svayam Bhagavan as is Vitobha , ...the Dasavatars are manifestations of Visnu .
excuse me if I sound abrupt , but this attitude is indicative of kali yuga ....oh I forgot ...nevermind I'll just explain it away ....we canot do this without making a mockery of Hinduism which is fast becoming the ...anything according to my whim ism !!!
Please please do not take this wrongly , but how could Buddha divert from Hinduism ..? ...Hinduism or the term Hindu did not even exist at the apperance time of lord Buddha , ....
therefore he appeared to re establish Sanatana Dharma as did all avatars ....
Jaganath is a self manifesting form of Svayam Bhagavan as is Vitobha , ...the Dasavatars are manifestations of Visnu .
with all due respects , then you have not made a painting of ''all the avatars of visnu''(I also forgot to include Kalki, but am going to explain it away as, "He's not here yet, so he's not in the painting"
excuse me if I sound abrupt , but this attitude is indicative of kali yuga ....oh I forgot ...nevermind I'll just explain it away ....we canot do this without making a mockery of Hinduism which is fast becoming the ...anything according to my whim ism !!!
Yes, that was the first one I stumbled on. There are a few more. Not trying to prove a point, just expanding on my o.p.
In traditional Wiki fashion, that is way too broad a statement; not without truth, just too general imo.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Your painting, your choice. But Buddha did not divert from Hinduism or Dharma.
As a Buddhist, I want to make one post on this subject.
To say that the Buddha was a manifestation of Vishnu who had the purpose of deluding demons and leading atheists is insulting and offensive. It is a bad way to build dialogue between two faiths. The Buddha is the Fully Awakened One, the Tathagata, Arahant, the best and greatest teacher of gods and men. For a Buddhist, no human being or god can compare to the Buddha.
I see people trying to deny the essential teachings of the Buddha while standing his dhamma on its head, claiming he upheld what he actually rejected and saying that he rejected what he actually upheld. As some of what is being said in this thread I find highly offensive, I am going to refrain from commenting further.
To say that the Buddha was a manifestation of Vishnu who had the purpose of deluding demons and leading atheists is insulting and offensive. It is a bad way to build dialogue between two faiths. The Buddha is the Fully Awakened One, the Tathagata, Arahant, the best and greatest teacher of gods and men. For a Buddhist, no human being or god can compare to the Buddha.
I see people trying to deny the essential teachings of the Buddha while standing his dhamma on its head, claiming he upheld what he actually rejected and saying that he rejected what he actually upheld. As some of what is being said in this thread I find highly offensive, I am going to refrain from commenting further.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
That's the last thing you should do.
This is posted in the Dharmic DIR
for a reason. A Buddhist perspective
is needed, in my opinion, and quite
warranted.
This is posted in the Dharmic DIR
for a reason. A Buddhist perspective
is needed, in my opinion, and quite
warranted.
Sincerely, you have my sympathies, as well as a frugal. I'm glad you brought this up, actually, as projection of beliefs seems to be in the air these days.
We need to respect each other in more ways than this.
Poeticus, Vinakaya:
Thank you both for your kind words. I hope my words did not cause offense to any Hindus here, that was not my purpose. My intent was to say that the verses quoted from the Bhagavatam Purana, like:
Thank you both for your kind words. I hope my words did not cause offense to any Hindus here, that was not my purpose. My intent was to say that the verses quoted from the Bhagavatam Purana, like:
...are pejorative statements that do not give proper honor to the Buddha and his Dhamma. It is better to say you disagree with the Buddha than to (mis)appropriate him by altering his character and teachings.
I'm truly sorry you feel offended, but I think you should read my o.p. more throughly. You will see that the focus is on Srila Prabhupada's explanation of why the Buddha is an avatar of Vishnu.
You'll see that no one denigrated the Buddha or his teachings. Rather several of us said that the business of "deluding demons" is not the truth. Again, I am sorry you feel disrespected and offended, but again I think you should read the entire thread in context.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaste von bek ji :namaste
please do not take offence , allthough from a theravadins perspective this may seem contradictory and even offensive ,
may I most humbly request your patience
there is a valid link between the vaisnava veiw of Lord Buddha and the Gautama Buddha of Buddhism although it is often grossly missunderstood and as it is here , texts are missinturpreted and miss quoted out of context which as here gives a missleading impression .
people post these things without thought as to the consequences and without full knowledge .
please be assured that a true Vaisnava has nothing but the higest respect for lord Buddha and for Buddhists , but even the average Vaisnava has little understanding of his teachings or the full context in which they were given , simply because there is no need for them to follow Buddhas teachings as they have their own paths . how ever it is Widely accepted that both belong within the fold of Sanatana Dharma (eternal law or principles) thus acknowledging our Dharmas and teachings to result from independant realisations of the same ultimate truth thus the epethet given to lord Buddha means the same to both Buddhists and vaisnavas , one in 'full knowledge' , the enlightened one .
our paths may be different as equaly within Buddhism there are different traditions and paths , but there is no dissrespect only deepest reverence in the heart of the true devotee .
never once in over fifteen years have I ever had to give up my refuge in Buddha not even as an vaisnava initiate . I could not have taken that initiation if there were any contradiction , I promice you from the depth of my heart that a true vaisnava has nothing but the deepest love and respect for Buddha ......and that any vaisnava or hindu that says any differently must be forgiven for they are not in full knowledge .:namaste
please do not take offence , allthough from a theravadins perspective this may seem contradictory and even offensive ,
may I most humbly request your patience
there is a valid link between the vaisnava veiw of Lord Buddha and the Gautama Buddha of Buddhism although it is often grossly missunderstood and as it is here , texts are missinturpreted and miss quoted out of context which as here gives a missleading impression .
this explanation given here is poor and does not do justice to Buddha or to Viasnava beleif or veiw .
people post these things without thought as to the consequences and without full knowledge .
this is so indicative of people who parot what they have read without fully researching into the subject , or even listening when they have the opportunity to listen to those with better understanding , sadly too many people post here on the strength of what they read in potted resume's and belive what ever is writen on wikipedia to be definative , without consideration that it takes many years of study under a genuine guru to fully understand such topics .
please be assured that a true Vaisnava has nothing but the higest respect for lord Buddha and for Buddhists , but even the average Vaisnava has little understanding of his teachings or the full context in which they were given , simply because there is no need for them to follow Buddhas teachings as they have their own paths . how ever it is Widely accepted that both belong within the fold of Sanatana Dharma (eternal law or principles) thus acknowledging our Dharmas and teachings to result from independant realisations of the same ultimate truth thus the epethet given to lord Buddha means the same to both Buddhists and vaisnavas , one in 'full knowledge' , the enlightened one .
our paths may be different as equaly within Buddhism there are different traditions and paths , but there is no dissrespect only deepest reverence in the heart of the true devotee .
never once in over fifteen years have I ever had to give up my refuge in Buddha not even as an vaisnava initiate . I could not have taken that initiation if there were any contradiction , I promice you from the depth of my heart that a true vaisnava has nothing but the deepest love and respect for Buddha ......and that any vaisnava or hindu that says any differently must be forgiven for they are not in full knowledge .:namaste
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram vinayaka ji :namaste
sadly this is a symptom of kali yuga , ... what to a tibetan Buddhist is described as ''this degenerate age'' and to a Vaisnava sometimes described as ''the age of hypocracy and lies'' , but intruth it is the age in which we have the shortest attention and tolerance spans and the stupidity to argue amongst ourselves ....in short it is the age of ignorance , no more no less !
but knowing this we should be carefull in ourselves not to behave ignorantly but to forgive others that do , otherwise without a compassionate understanding our own inteligence becomes corrupted , ....
people in this age are self obsessed and ego driven they find it difficult to learn or to be told , faultfinding and one upmanship is commonplace , and thinking that one has to know everything is a comon malaise .
but if we were to take offence at every mistake we would become misserable and embittered which leads to un healthy competitiveness and retaliation ...and this projecting of beleifs ..? ... where does it stem from ? .... ignorance and attatchment to ones own oppinion .
but it is understandable that is the nature of this age .
look at the noncence out here on the internet ....and it is done in inocence , ...meaning that it is done without nececary badness , but done out of lack of knowledge ....
''Youtube''.... ''one hour of relaxing music ''...?
actualy these are mantras .
.....and there is one '' om nama shivay '' with pictures of young buddhist monks ??? there is another ''om suryay namah'' ...with more Buddhist monks walikg across a waterfall .??? ...then there are countless krsna bhajans with pictures of Rama..? ....And every one has access to wickipedia and can edit ???...well if I can edit any one can edit , whether they know anything or not .... I found one passage on a buddhist principle where entirely the wrong word was used ...having the opposite meaning ???
Do we take offence ? or simply accept that this will happen ?
Ok we should correct where possible , gently ? but even still many times people wont have it , the attatchment to oppinion is often so strong ....
I often use a sanskrit dictionary to check my spelling (rather than cause offence) and one day I noticed that a valid and correct translation had been edited out ....some one some where didnt want it to mean what it means .... so what use is there to rely on anything material it is an aid and no more .....and sometimes an unrelyable one .
so projection of belieif is something we need to be tolerant towards , ...but know when to draw the line ....when to speak out .... whether anyone wants to listen or not it dosent matter , ones duty is done . but to become angry is futile that way we loose our inteligence , when inteligence and composure is gone all is lost .
yes we need to respect each other and also give each other the respect to listen and prehaps learn before we jump to conclusions ....
as you will well know there is often a deeper and more esoteric meaning to many things ...
Sincerely, you have my sympathies, as well as a frugal. I'm glad you brought this up, actually, as projection of beliefs seems to be in the air these days.
We need to respect each other in more ways than this.
sadly this is a symptom of kali yuga , ... what to a tibetan Buddhist is described as ''this degenerate age'' and to a Vaisnava sometimes described as ''the age of hypocracy and lies'' , but intruth it is the age in which we have the shortest attention and tolerance spans and the stupidity to argue amongst ourselves ....in short it is the age of ignorance , no more no less !
but knowing this we should be carefull in ourselves not to behave ignorantly but to forgive others that do , otherwise without a compassionate understanding our own inteligence becomes corrupted , ....
people in this age are self obsessed and ego driven they find it difficult to learn or to be told , faultfinding and one upmanship is commonplace , and thinking that one has to know everything is a comon malaise .
but if we were to take offence at every mistake we would become misserable and embittered which leads to un healthy competitiveness and retaliation ...and this projecting of beleifs ..? ... where does it stem from ? .... ignorance and attatchment to ones own oppinion .
but it is understandable that is the nature of this age .
look at the noncence out here on the internet ....and it is done in inocence , ...meaning that it is done without nececary badness , but done out of lack of knowledge ....
''Youtube''.... ''one hour of relaxing music ''...?
actualy these are mantras .
.....and there is one '' om nama shivay '' with pictures of young buddhist monks ??? there is another ''om suryay namah'' ...with more Buddhist monks walikg across a waterfall .??? ...then there are countless krsna bhajans with pictures of Rama..? ....And every one has access to wickipedia and can edit ???...well if I can edit any one can edit , whether they know anything or not .... I found one passage on a buddhist principle where entirely the wrong word was used ...having the opposite meaning ???
Do we take offence ? or simply accept that this will happen ?
Ok we should correct where possible , gently ? but even still many times people wont have it , the attatchment to oppinion is often so strong ....
I often use a sanskrit dictionary to check my spelling (rather than cause offence) and one day I noticed that a valid and correct translation had been edited out ....some one some where didnt want it to mean what it means .... so what use is there to rely on anything material it is an aid and no more .....and sometimes an unrelyable one .
so projection of belieif is something we need to be tolerant towards , ...but know when to draw the line ....when to speak out .... whether anyone wants to listen or not it dosent matter , ones duty is done . but to become angry is futile that way we loose our inteligence , when inteligence and composure is gone all is lost .
yes we need to respect each other and also give each other the respect to listen and prehaps learn before we jump to conclusions ....
as you will well know there is often a deeper and more esoteric meaning to many things ...
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Are you talking about the
New Age videos that
are about meditation,
with [mis]appropriated
bhajans and mantras?
New Age videos that
are about meditation,
with [mis]appropriated
bhajans and mantras?
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